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Old 06-10-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I am thinking they should have 2 minimum wage rates. Based on age only; if you are 21 or older, whatever the state sees fit but no less than $12 an hour for high COL states like CA & NY and $10 for others.

Nationwide $7 or $8 /hr for all employees under 21 year of age. This should also allow businesses to hire younger staff while also creating an incentive to keep/hire younger staff.
Australia already does that, they have a different minimum wage for those under and over 18
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Old 06-10-2018, 12:28 PM
 
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I don't think anyone disputed that. Small businesses will have a problem, sure, but not the larger corporations which are already paying their employees unlivable wages.
People shouldn't expect to make a living from flipping burgers.
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Old 06-10-2018, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Saskatoon - Saskatchewan, Canada
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The consequence is not only some businesses closing doors. Actually, probably most of the businesses will keep open, BUT the higher labor costs will affect the consumers by raising prices.

Basic math. Wages and prices raising at the same rate won't solve the problem. Then there will be a campaing for $20 minimum wage, $25 minimum wage, and so goes on.
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Old 06-10-2018, 07:56 PM
 
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The consequence is not only some businesses closing doors. Actually, probably most of the businesses will keep open, BUT the higher labor costs will affect the consumers by raising prices.

Basic math. Wages and prices raising at the same rate won't solve the problem. Then there will be a campaing for $20 minimum wage, $25 minimum wage, and so goes on.
Right as all a businesses costs come out of your pocket. Cost them more, cost you more.
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Old 06-10-2018, 08:11 PM
 
Location: La La Land
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Australia already does that, they have a different minimum wage for those under and over 18
That's called making policy using thought and logic instead of allowing lobbyists to dictate policy.
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Old 06-10-2018, 08:14 PM
 
Location: La La Land
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People shouldn't expect to make a living from flipping burgers.
People should expect to make a living from any full time job. Just as any business owner expects to make a living from any business they run.

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The consequence is not only some businesses closing doors. Actually, probably most of the businesses will keep open, BUT the higher labor costs will affect the consumers by raising prices.

Basic math. Wages and prices raising at the same rate won't solve the problem. Then there will be a campaing for $20 minimum wage, $25 minimum wage, and so goes on.
Your logic would be valid if workers were asking to become wealthy. They are not, they are asking to survive. The scenario you describe would be a direct result of business owner greed trying to increase profits beyond a reasonable level.

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Right as all a businesses costs come out of your pocket. Cost them more, cost you more.
Sooooo you didn't read the article?
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Old 06-10-2018, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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People should expect to make a living from any full time job. Just as any business owner expects to make a living from any business they run.
Except that business owners don’t expect to make a living from any business they run. They only run businesses that they expect to make a living from. That’s a significant distinction. You can’t choose to do something that doesn’t provide a living wage and expect a living wage whether you are a worker or employer.
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Old 06-10-2018, 11:22 PM
 
Location: La La Land
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Except that business owners don’t expect to make a living from any business they run. They only run businesses that they expect to make a living from. That’s a significant distinction. You can’t choose to do something that doesn’t provide a living wage and expect a living wage whether you are a worker or employer.
So you're saying that people start businesses to lose money?

Your statements make no sense. Any full time job should pay enough for someone to be able to survive in the locale that the business exists. A business that survives because it underpays it's employees is a failure and should be shut down.
The idea that businesses have a right to exist at any cost is ridiculous. Expecting that a segment of the working population should accept insufficient income so that a business can survive is pure foolishness.
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Old 06-11-2018, 12:26 AM
 
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People should expect to make a living from any full time job. Just as any business owner expects to make a living from any business they run.
Cost of living/housing is independent of people's income. 2 burger flippers can afford a 1 bd in the ghetto or 10 burger flippers can afford a sfh in the decent part of town, 2 of them sleep in the garage. Free markets are being manipulated by fixed wages and rent control.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:27 AM
 
Location: La La Land
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Cost of living/housing is independent of people's income. 2 burger flippers can afford a 1 bd in the ghetto or 10 burger flippers can afford a sfh in the decent part of town, 2 of them sleep in the garage. Free markets are being manipulated by fixed wages and rent control.

"Free market" is another fantasy created by the 1% to give the illusion of economic equality. It's a load of crap.

Every bit of the American market is manipulated by the wealthy, the lobbyists they hire, and the politicians they buy, to their benefit.

A "burger flipper" is an essential part of a business and should be paid accordingly, as should any full time employee. Anything less is theft of services.

If a business cannot afford to pay its employees a living wage, they should get out of the way and allow someone else the chance to run a business that treats its employees fairly. Especially in a city like Los Angeles. If you are going to charge people $20 for "burger" you can afford to pay your employees AT LEAST $15 and hour.
Unless you're a greedy bastard.
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