California minimum wage hike hits L.A. apparel industry: 'The exodus has begun' (neighborhood, tax)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Been leaving?...that's not a strong argument for killing an industry.
30,000 WORKERS and BILLIONS in revenue = "Been leaving" Lol.
What other businesses will move in ? Will the new hot tech startup hire Maria the seamstress?
If the entire apparel industry leaves Los Angeles..which you think is no big deal..where is Maria going to work??

lmfao. jm! It's not up to you or me. And it doesn't matter what people like us think. The industry is leaving because the world constantly changes and right now some of those changes drive the apparel to do business elsewhere. Lower wages in LA wouldn't help because workers can't live on lower wages so where would the workers come from? Lower wage workers live in other countries. Maria will have to move along if she can't find work in LA. But, at the rate the damn state and area is growing, I suspect that Maria will be fine cleaning houses right here in SoCal for just as much or more than she makes stitching shirts. But, truth is, what's really replacing Maria is AI / Robotics. And that's coming whatever the wage is, low or high. Because machines are preferable workers to humans in every way for employers. No personnel issues is what they are after.

And those high tech workers that Maria can't compete with? They are busy designing a future that will put themselves out of work as well. Machines and computers are already doing more and more of the designing of new machines and computers. Humans are rapidly becoming obsolete.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

lmfao. jm! It's not up to you or me. And it doesn't matter what people like us think. The industry is leaving because the world constantly changes and right now some of those changes drive the apparel to do business elsewhere. Lower wages in LA wouldn't help because workers can't live on lower wages so where would the workers come from? Lower wage workers live in other countries. Maria will have to move along if she can't find work in LA. But, at the rate the damn state and area is growing, I suspect that Maria will be fine cleaning houses right here in SoCal for just as much or more than she makes stitching shirts. But, truth is, what's really replacing Maria is AI / Robotics. And that's coming whatever the wage is, low or high. Because machines are preferable workers to humans in every way for employers. No personnel issues is what they are after.

And those high tech workers that Maria can't compete with? They are busy designing a future that will put themselves out of work as well. Machines and computers are already doing more and more of the designing of new machines and computers. Humans are rapidly becoming obsolete.

This doesn't make sense. The 30,000 apparel workers are living on minimum or pretty low wages now.
Otherwise how are they living here?

Regarding Maria having to move out of L.A or CA if she can't find work in L.A you are proving my point that this law will help to push out low wage earners and increase gentrification.

What do you think will replace the old garment building where Maria once worked?

Here is a hint...
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[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

This doesn't make sense. The 30,000 apparel workers are living on minimum or pretty low wages now.
Otherwise how are they living here?

Right, jm. And costs are rising. Which is why wages need to go up as well. Very good.

[RaymondChandlerLives]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Been leaving?...that's not a strong argument for killing an industry.
30,000 WORKERS and BILLIONS in revenue = "Been leaving" Lol.
What other businesses will move in ? Will the new hot tech startup hire Maria the seamstress?
If the entire apparel industry leaves Los Angeles..which you think is no big deal..where is Maria going to work??

Should we allow the apparel industry to pay $4/hr so they continue to grace us with their presence? How about a 0% corporate tax rate? At what point do we say enough is enough with the job creator ass-kissing? The manufacturing sector of the economy was in steep decline well before this wage hike, so you can't blame it on a law that doesn't fully kick in for another half-decade. That's just a fear-mongering tactic (that seems to be working like a charm on you.

[bruhms]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Right, jm. And costs are rising. Which is why wages need to go up as well. Very good.

And how will the employers pay those higher wages?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by bruhms

And how will the employers pay those higher wages?

By a variety of adjustments listed over and over and over and over and over in the 9 threads on this subject in this California forum. Including, yes, raising prices, finding new efficiencies, increasing market reach, and adding product offerings. Same as businesses have always done for 10,000 years when faced with changing conditions.

[V8 Vega]

There are 12 posts on page 12 & 13 by Telemutt and JM 1982 that are a half hour apart.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

There are 12 posts on page 12 & 13 by Telemutt and JM 1982 that are a half hour apart.

I am having so much fun. Like watching Dumb and Dumber.

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Yes , you really start pondering the important things in life when you are on a bread line.

Millions of Soviets on Bread Line, Pravda Reports - latimes

In The Soviet Era People Lined Up For Bread, But In 1990 … ? – Gear Diary

You are right..it sounds like a great quality of life!
I'm sure you would trade your lifestyle for that right?

What is the difference between this, and waiting on line at the checkout of the supermarket? As long as everyone got the bread they needed . . . .

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

What is the difference between this, and waiting on line at the checkout of the supermarket? As long as everyone got the bread they needed . . . .

Sounds like the lines were much longer...and they probably didn't have those wild tabloid magazines to read while in the bread lines either