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Old 04-20-2016, 12:15 AM
 
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Quite frankly I think the first site of Los Angeles makes some people want to vomit. To be sure, some of this is pre-conceived notions of what "Hollywood" is supposed to look like and/or notions about what physical form a "true city" should embody.

Take a drive down Century Blvd from LAX and what do you see?

But hey we got the Imperial Highway, Century Blvd, Victory Blvd, Santa Monica Blvd, 6th Street....we love it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5LzCOc98E
What is wrong with century Blvd near lax?
If anything, it looks more interesting/urban than other cities gateways to their airports.
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Old 04-20-2016, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Small towners would likely be more shocked by the cultural diversity in LA than the actual built environment. NYC's built environment would be much more of a shock to people.
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Old 04-20-2016, 08:40 AM
 
Location: West Coast
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Quite frankly I think the first site of Los Angeles makes some people want to vomit. To be sure, some of this is pre-conceived notions of what "Hollywood" is supposed to look like and/or notions about what physical form a "true city" should embody.

Take a drive down Century Blvd from LAX and what do you see?

But hey we got the Imperial Highway, Century Blvd, Victory Blvd, Santa Monica Blvd, 6th Street....we love it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5LzCOc98E
Totally agree. My wife and I say the same. Always hate flying out and into LAX. Such a cluster and lackluster airport. The surrounding area really is rough too. You would think LA would have a better first impression on people but it doesnt. It is grimy and gritty for the most part. Sure there are nice areas, but a vast majority of it is gritty.
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Totally agree. My wife and I say the same. Always hate flying out and into LAX. Such a cluster and lackluster airport. The surrounding area really is rough too. You would think LA would have a better first impression on people but it doesnt. It is grimy and gritty for the most part. Sure there are nice areas, but a vast majority of it is gritty.
Just heard New Yorker ,anthony bourdain say the same thing about all the NYC area airports too that its a pain getting to the city from the airports,etc. At least they do have the subway from the airports though in NYC.
He said it sucks taking the public transit into the city...but of course for him , paying the $50+ cab fare is no biggie.
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Old 04-20-2016, 11:58 AM
 
Location: West Coast
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Just heard New Yorker ,anthony bourdain say the same thing about all the NYC area airports too that its a pain getting to the city from the airports,etc. At least they do have the subway from the airports though in NYC.
He said it sucks taking the public transit into the city...but of course for him , paying the $50+ cab fare is no biggie.
That was another gripe. I can't believe the second largest city in the nation has no rail connection to the airport. Ridiculous!
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Old 04-20-2016, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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That was another gripe. I can't believe the second largest city in the nation has no rail connection to the airport. Ridiculous!
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. That's what neighborhood opposition and lawsuits will do though...

It's just nuts that we are just now in 2016 getting a subway to the beach/Santa Monica area..

It's not like subways or rails is some brand new technology.
Of course there was the red car system which was pretty extensive ..but got ripped up destroyed decades ago.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy. That's what neighborhood opposition and lawsuits will do though...
Neighborhood opposition and lawsuits are not what stopped the Green line from being built to LAX back when it was built.

The key reasons were:
1. When the heavy planning for the line was underway in the 80's there was approx. 90,000 aerospace workers in El Segundo and only about 35,000 workers at LAX. By the time the line was being built (early 90's), the Cold War had ended and aerospace employment dropped in half in El Segundo.

2. In addition, LAX was planning a people mover at the time the green line was being planned but could not reach consensus as to where it would terminate so green line planners lost patience with the airport.

3. Finally, the FAA was concerned that the above ground green line might interfere with navigational equipment on the runways (Green Line has lots of overhead wires). So the option to build underground was considered too expensive. So they opted not to build it north to LAX and went south instead.

http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPG...green_line.pdf


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It's just nuts that we are just now in 2016 getting a subway to the beach/Santa Monica area..
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We are not getting a subway to the beach/Santa Monica. We are getting the Expo Line (above ground light rail). The "subway to the sea" will stop at the VA in West LA (not S.M.) and will take decades to get there.
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Old 04-28-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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Neighborhood opposition and lawsuits are not what stopped the Green line from being built to LAX back when it was built.

The key reasons were:
1. When the heavy planning for the line was underway in the 80's there was approx. 90,000 aerospace workers in El Segundo and only about 35,000 workers at LAX. By the time the line was being built (early 90's), the Cold War had ended and aerospace employment dropped in half in El Segundo.

2. In addition, LAX was planning a people mover at the time the green line was being planned but could not reach consensus as to where it would terminate so green line planners lost patience with the airport.

3. Finally, the FAA was concerned that the above ground green line might interfere with navigational equipment on the runways (Green Line has lots of overhead wires). So the option to build underground was considered too expensive. So they opted not to build it north to LAX and went south instead.

http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPG...green_line.pdf




We are not getting a subway to the beach/Santa Monica. We are getting the Expo Line (above ground light rail). The "subway to the sea" will stop at the VA in West LA (not S.M.) and will take decades to get there.
Why Green Line stopped short of LAX

Also this post from a UCLA student.

Okay, so, here's what actually happened...
The Green Line was planned to go into the airport. Always. It got through EIR and CEQA, in spite of all the lobbying from cab and shuttle companies that sucked up budget and time. The Bus Riders Union also did their best to kill it, as they do with all rail... because "poor people ride buses." (And poor people NEVER benefit from getting to work faster on rail instead, noooo.)
So, all was well, until there was one more formality to complete. Because they were entering an airport, the FAA had to review the plans. It was supposed to just be a rubber stamp.
Then the FAA saw the plans... and saw that the line was supposed to run right by or under (can't recall which) a control tower. And said, "No, you are NOT runing 20,000 volt catenary right by all that sensitive equipment."
Budget was gone. There was nothing left to put a new alignment back through the process. So, they just truncated it. :-/
Now, if the Super Shuttle folks hadn't fought tooth and nail, and the BRU hadn't made the entire process more difficult and expensive, maybe we could have dealt with that hitch... but this was just kind of an oops somewhere in the planning department (or more likely, by a private sector consulting firm hired to do the preliminary engineering, along with 23 subcontractors).
Source: Transportation Planning lecture, UCLA, 2003 or so.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/1k6qnk/
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Old 05-04-2016, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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I've never understood why the Bus Riders Union has objected to light rail for so long even though a 55-minute ride on the Blue Line from DTLA to DTLB sure beats the heck out of riding a bus that far. Folks who've done their homework regarding LA's sprawl or that of any other major city that are larger area-wise (Jacksonville, OKC, etc.) shouldn't be surprised.
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