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Old 04-17-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Originally Posted by YoungTraveler2011 View Post
if you are making minimum wage past age 18 in America, you deserve to be living on the streets.

THIS IS THE EASIEST COUNTRY ON EARTH TO MAKE MONEY. LITERALLY.
Dumbest post award contender.
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:48 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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The federal minimum wage should (and has been) based on the need to keep employers from paying taking advantage to pay desperate people next to nothing. Any city of state with a higher cost of living is welcome to establish their on higher rate. The system is working, with many cities and now states starting to go up to $15 gradually to help minimize the blow to employers depending on unskilled labor. This many years after the $7.25 went into effect (2009) I would expect that inflation would result in an increase, but to $8-9, not $15. Living on $15 in San Francisco is not the same as in Birmingham, Alabama, though the minimum wage is not meant to raise a family or buy a house anywhere.
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Young people start out at the minimum wage and in 6 months get a raise and in a year another raise. Thats the way it's been for ever. It never was intended to be for older people to live on.
Not that I agree w/ OP, but you're living in a fantasy world if you think minimum wage employees get meaningful raises. Maybe once a year, and it amount to pennies at a time.
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:06 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood, CA
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u know how I know you fold clothes for a living?
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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u know how I know you fold clothes for a living?
So tell me, how is it that someone who makes $350,000+ can only afford a $500,000 house and is seemingly desperate to get away from said income?

You're full of crap.
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Old 04-17-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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OP, actually it seems you need to earn $33hr to afford the average apartment in L.A these days
LA residents need to make $33 an hour to afford the average apartment | 89.3 KPCC

So do you think minimum wage should be $33hr?

Also your example of
"Case Study: Yadira Fragoso, whose wages rose to $25 an hour—up from $6.25—after becoming a worker-owner at Si Se Puede, a cleaning co-op incubated by the Brooklyn-based Center for Family Life. "

Well yeah...I would hope they would be making at least $25 an hour if they are an owner. Owner meaning that you also have the same responsibilities,etc as an owner.


I actually think employee owned businesses are a good idea. I know Dr Bronner's (maker of soap) operates that way.
Last time I checked employee owned businesses are nothing new and there is no law against starting one.

This is a big revelation to you that owning a business might allow one to make more money?

The reality is most people don't want to own the business. They don't want the risk and responsibility of being an owner.

There are many people that make very good money as employees and they could afford to start their own businesses..but they choose not to.
Believe it or not a lot of the big businesses around today that are household brands actually started with very little money.

For example Subway , the sandwich chain that has more location's than McDonald's was started with a small loan of $1,000.
Yes it was some years back and there is inflation,etc..but still a small amount.

A housekeeper or janitor can start a cleaning business with relatively little money. There are opportunities out there beyond remaining a minimum wage employee forever and ever.

One big thing I hate about this whole debate is that people are putting themselves as being dependent on these companies to pay them.
In L.A especially we have a lot of immigrants that came here from around the world with nothing and built their businesses in this city.
This wage hike is a slap in the face to them and other small business owners.
I just don't think the Pro $15 crowd realizes that there are more small businesses many minority owned, which will suffer far worse than the national or global chains.

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Old 04-19-2016, 04:13 AM
 
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Why not make the minimum wage an even $50?
All this talk about raising minimum wage!
The whole reason people are screaming for a higher minimum wage is because EVERYTHING IS ULTRA OVERPRICED IN L.A.
Here's an idea: lets leave the minimum wage alone and cap prices. Let's cap rent prices, cap how much food items cost, cap how much jeans and other clothing items cost.
Can't cap the high taxes though, the dems will have a hissy fit.
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Old 04-19-2016, 04:31 AM
 
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Lol get used to even higher rents in LA and if you rent in apartments get used to being overcrowded as 4 and 5 people share 2 bedroom units.

Oh and get used to more employers hiring illegal aliens.

lol at Scandinavian countries as the example. Different cultures. Why doesn't anyone ever use Ireland as the example? Literally a nation where almost no one gets ahead....everyone has the same crappy lower middle class standard of living.
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Old 04-19-2016, 06:32 AM
 
Location: La La Land
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This will be hard for some of the less "enlightened" posters to follow but here goes:

The concept of "minimum wage" is a construct used to give businesses an excuse to underpay their employees. If you run a business in a given area you should pay your full time employees enough to be able to afford rent, food, clothing, transportation and necessary expenses for that area. Your profits are secondary to providing a LIVING wage to your employees. If you can't accomplish that, go find another way to make a living and allow someone else who can be more successful to take your place. Owning a business is not a guaranteed right. Being a business owner is no different than being an employee: if you can't cut it, move on.

Part time employees should receive the same proportionate wage for their hours.

The enemy is not the minimum wage worker asking for a few dollars to live on. The enemy is the greedy pig sucking money out of the economy for little or no input. Being a "shareholder" and demanding a business answers to you first is ludicrous. If you invest in a business you receive shares. When you sell the shares you get whatever the new value is, more or less. You took a chance. Deal with it.

Employee owned companies are a major threat to American business just as unions are deemed to be by the ignorant. They limit greed. That's a big no-no in our plutocracy.

Earning money by serving fries is more noble and useful than engaging in insider trading and basically stealing people's hard earned money, or using your ill gotten gains to "invest", manipulate the stock market and pay less tax than the fries guy.

But, since most of our fellow citizens are too ignorant to see how they are being used, the plutocrats will continue to run the show.
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Old 04-19-2016, 07:13 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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All this talk about raising minimum wage!
The whole reason people are screaming for a higher minimum wage is because EVERYTHING IS ULTRA OVERPRICED IN L.A.
Here's an idea: lets leave the minimum wage alone and cap prices. Let's cap rent prices, cap how much food items cost, cap how much jeans and other clothing items cost.
Can't cap the high taxes though, the dems will have a hissy fit.
So just end the free market instead of raising the minimum wage?
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