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Old 04-22-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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This is from a government document
we estimate that there are 14,428 transgender individuals living in Los Angeles County of course the county is much larger than the city.
The county is 10million population ..so that's .0014% of the population..based on that estimate.

I definitely don't think it's a good idea to accommodate .0014% while affecting the 99.9 percent


http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/www...2-13%20pub.pdf
And of those 14, 428 what percentage have completed their transition (had sex re-assignment surgery) so that the bathroom issue doesn't even affect them anymore? They talk about this issue as if most or virtually all transgender people have penises, and to restrict them is to discriminate against all transgenders.
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:35 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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So, is no one on this thread aware that transgender individuals have always held unique - positive - status in many cultures around the world since forever? Many Native American cultures have not only accepted but given special respect to transgendered, the Hijra of india and SE Asia, Mahu's of Hawaii, Fa'afafine of Samoa, fakaleiti of Tonga, Muxe of Mexico, and many more. Some cultures ostracize. Others accept. It's not a new issue in human history.

Some while back a beautifully sensitive and talented young nephew of mine, born biologically female, took his own life at age 14 in spite of family's love and total support. The public pressures at school and other open interactive situations were too cruel for him to navigate. A brilliant, loving child. Astoundingly talented musician who could play Mozart and transpose keys on the fly right out of his head. Stunning, riveting poetry you would never guess written by someone so young. A spirit gift from some other pardigm of the cosmos. Dead on the bathroom floor by his own hand. Just not cut out to endure the kind of ignorance such as written by a number of you in this thread.

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Kumu Hina is the story of Hina Wong- Kalu, a transgender native Hawaiian teacher and cultural icon who brings to life Hawaii’s long-held embrace of mahu — those who embody both male and female spirit, and were traditionally respected as caretakers, healers, and keepers of ancient traditions.
Kumu Hina | Preserving Hawaiian Tradition | Independent Lens | PBS
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Two Spirit: The Story of a Movement Unfolds
Two spirit -- the movement, the societies and the term itself -- marks a return to Native American traditions that historically recognized more than two genders.
Two Spirit: The Story of a Movement Unfolds - Native Peoples - May-June 2014 - Native Peoples
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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This supporting transgendered rights that Garcetti and the city council has jumped on is something called "Transform California"

https://www.aclunc.org/blog/transfor...-stop-hate-now

They mention a transgendered homeless person that was killed by someone in an 'intimate partner dispute'..
and there was a transgendered teen apparently hit on purpose in a hit and run because they were transgendered.
That's great if there are organizations adovating, but this whole thing with Garcetti getting up there and advocating is too contrived.
It's already illegal to shoot and kill people and hit and run random people.
So I'm wondering what the point of all this is , besides scoring brownie points with these nonprofit advocacy groups and a certain voter base?

Also in the two examples above , how do we know that the homeless woman was killed just for being transgendered? How do we know the teen was hit on purpose for being transgendered? ..

These are the two examples the ACLU uses on their site saying "The situation is serious in Los Angeles, "
Is it really?
Is it really an epidemic of people being killed or injured.....or are they using these incidents to push an agenda to change bathrooms signs

Another big goal of Transform California is
"Decreasing profiling and mass incarceration of LGBTQ people, and pressing public officials to ensure that gay, bisexual, transgender and gender nonconforming people in police, jail and immigration custody are safe and treated humanely."

Mass incarceration of LGBTQ people?..what? really?
Where are they getting rounded up and placed in jail just for being LGBTQ?...
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:42 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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It's only stupid to someone who needs to improve their reading comprehension skills. I never said the other 20% were strangers. Why do you have such a huge problem with 52% of the population having a right to privacy and protection? Trans feelings matter but theirs don't? What kind of bullying and misogyny is going on here?
No no no, I don't play that game. I reject your premise that we have to accept your bigotry or else we're the bigots. That's total BS. Your freedoms are not impacted by the equal treatment of the LGBT community and your boogeyman BS about trans people molesting kids in public restrooms is just fear mongering to justify your backward beliefs. You don't speak for all women.
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:44 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Originally Posted by jm1982 View Post
This is from a government document
we estimate that there are 14,428 transgender individuals living in Los Angeles County of course the county is much larger than the city.
The county is 10million population ..so that's .0014% of the population..based on that estimate.

I definitely don't think it's a good idea to accommodate .0014% while affecting the 99.9 percent


http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/www...2-13%20pub.pdf
Why We Don’t Know The Size Of The Transgender Population | FiveThirtyEight

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In a study by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, 71 percent of transgender people said they hid their gender or gender transition to try to avoid discrimination.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/up...tion.html?_r=0
If you care to actually know, rather than just feed your opinionated biases, the more common estimates, based on research, run from as high as 5% (unlikely) down to 1%. Not .0014% in any case.
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Why We Don’t Know The Size Of The Transgender Population | FiveThirtyEight

If you care to actually know, rather than just feed your opinionated biases, the more common estimates, based on research, run from as high as 5% (unlikely) down to 1%. Not .0014% in any case.
Ok , tell the government they are wrong then.

5% really? come on! No way
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:52 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Ok , tell the government they are wrong then.

5% really? come on! No way
The 5% figure came from a government survey in Massachusetts. Speaking of government being wrong. And I noted that that was generally acknowledged as almost certainly being too high. On the other hand, survey in California overall arrived at a figure of 1% statewide..

Point being, just grabbing any old figure that fits your narrative is your style jm. A more mature, truth-seeking effort would go far beyond grabbing what's handy.
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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No no no, I don't play that game. I reject your premise that we have to accept your bigotry or else we're the bigots. That's total BS. Your freedoms are not impacted by the equal treatment of the LGBT community and your boogeyman BS about trans people molesting kids in public restrooms is just fear mongering to justify your backward beliefs. You don't speak for all women.
*Sigh* The B word oh what a surprise. It's almost like you can start the countdown for when someone erupts with that word. Words have meanings. Actual bigotry and hatred are being trivialized when you throw around broad labels rather than listen to people's reason for their concerns. Everyone who doesn't want anatomical males in the locker room with them is not a bigot. I may not speak for all women but I guarantee that the majority of women and girls don't want to share locker rooms with anatomical males nor are they OK with poorly written laws that roll back protections against predators. Too bad many are bullied into silence and consent by misogynists like you who accuse them of being hateful bigots for simply desiring safety.

And I never breathed a word about lesbian/gay/bisexual people before your attempt to lump them in with this very specific issue fails. Do you know the meaning of "equal treatment?" It has nothing to do with penises in female showers. Your assertion that this is about equal treatment is actually a slap in the face to real civil rights issues. Trans don't speak for all LGB people either, and I know for a fact that many are rightfully disgruntled that they're lumped together. I actually campaigned on behalf of gay marriage for HRC (that's Human Rights Campaign folks, not Hillary Rodham Clinton lol) years ago but hey make up what you want in your head about people. It's so much easier than thinking critically.
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Old 04-22-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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This supporting transgendered rights that Garcetti and the city council has jumped on is something called "Transform California"

These are the two examples the ACLU uses on their site saying "The situation is serious in Los Angeles, "
Is it really?

Is it really an epidemic of people being killed or injured.....or are they using these incidents to push an agenda to change bathrooms signs
Of course it is "serious." It has to be "serious" or else they wouldn't have jobs.
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Old 04-22-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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So, is no one on this thread aware that transgender individuals have always held unique - positive - status in many cultures around the world since forever? Many Native American cultures have not only accepted but given special respect to transgendered, the Hijra of india and SE Asia, Mahu's of Hawaii, Fa'afafine of Samoa, fakaleiti of Tonga, Muxe of Mexico, and many more. Some cultures ostracize. Others accept. It's not a new issue in human history.
And all of those cultures you listed are extinct or lame and irrelevant now. Celebrating degeneracy and mental illness is sick and self-destructive. A healthy society celebrates health, beauty, and the natural order of life, not death, sickness, and aberration.

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Some while back a beautifully sensitive and talented young nephew of mine, born biologically female, took his own life at age 14 in spite of family's love and total support. The public pressures at school and other open interactive situations were too cruel for him to navigate. A brilliant, loving child. Astoundingly talented musician who could play Mozart and transpose keys on the fly right out of his head. Stunning, riveting poetry you would never guess written by someone so young. A spirit gift from some other pardigm of the cosmos. Dead on the bathroom floor by his own hand. Just not cut out to endure the kind of ignorance such as written by a number of you in this thread.
Your niece was a female. No amount of playing make-believe will ever change that fact. I'm sure she was a very talented and kind-hearted person, as you claim, but she was also sick and deserved help from her loved ones, not kowtowing to her mental illness. Your accepting of her wanting to pretend she's a boy did nothing but push her further into her own illness and discord with her true nature. What you did is no different than pretending your schizophrenic friend really IS ten different people. It's destructive and wrong. I'm sorry for your loss, but your niece was taken by mental illness, not by an intolerant society. You should've helped her come to terms with reality instead of pushing her further into her twisted fantasy.
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