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Old 05-05-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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Really? I'm going to quote Dave Chappelle here, but how young is 15 really? Parents are influential, but it's not like a teenager in this day and age doesn't at least have the tools to get started in the right direction. And LOL, at hs counsellors, I never ONCE asked my counselor for any advice other than how to graduate in the fastest way possible. Sorry, I just don't subscribe to this philosophy.



His name is LL Cool J and wrote "Going back to Cali" before Tupac was dancing for Digital Underground, look him up.



It may not be the first thing, but I'll bet you mention it without being prompted.

The Ricky Ricardo thing came from Millennials of all non-latin backgrounds (white, black, asian, didn't matter). All, but 2 were from NYC (Boston).

If you drive in LA traffic, you know damn well that Compton is not reasonably close to downtown LA, lol. Go back and read my post, NYC does not have the immigrant issue to deal with. Places like Norwalk and a lot of the 562 outside of Long Beach haven't even begun to gentrify because the immigrants and their children have such a stronghold there. IF the immigrants start to move, I can see it happening, but to see hipsters move in to areas that are still immigrant and gang dominated, I don't think so. Until you see hipsters move into East LA, I think places like Compton will stay un-gentrified.

Students don't chose your parents. There are parents who have their kids learning foreign languages in kindergarten, who have them doing calculus by middle school, and who have them doing various arts and sports since they were small children. These parents hire TUTORS for their children, and of course they do well on standardized tests. Guess who is much more likely to get into a top college undergraduate, and who is much more likely to get into a top graduate or professional school? Guess who is far more likely to be able to earn substantial amounts of money over their lifetimes?

You're putting all the responsibility on kids ,and diving them up into "good" kids and "bad" kids.

Never mind there is no such thing as a kid who simply made up his mind (and yes you mentioned the story of your uncle) and decided he was going to go to college.

Today to get into a worthwhile school is extremely competitive, and I don't think anyone who has a professional career would deny having mentors, parents, and other people who provided proper guidance.

 
Old 05-05-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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Thing about LA and blacks is that the most desirable areas of LA (Beverly Hills, West of the 405, Orange Co, beach, etc) are not where blacks generally live. Most blacks live far far away from those areas so it seems like the population is low. Also LA is so spread out it makes it seem like the numbers are low. Overall the black population is large in LA but once you factor in where LA "hot" spots are vs where blacks stay it makes it seem like the black population is lower. The average black person visiting LA is going to Santa Monica, Hollywood, etc and not to Compton or the IE. The average person visiting LA do not want to drive that far out to where they are because of the distance and traffic. Its kind of like Atlanta with the Asian population. We have a good Asian population but most of them live in Gwinnett County. The average person visiting the city will probably think that the Asian population is low
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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This is true. You always have to work twice as hard as an AA in STEM. Certain males at my job were upset that I got into an entry level IT position (especially since my degrees were in an non-related major) but I worked really hard and picked up the skills I needed quickly. Thank God for Google! Fortunately, I've been able to talk myself into a variety of jobs just by networking and "pounding the pavement" to find opportunities. Having an IT background is beneficial in a variety of fields since everything is so technology based these days. I really wanted to go back for an M.Arch degree but the unemployment percentages for architects is crazy! The way the job market is these day, you have to somewhat go with the flow and find what is in demand (unless you have an uncle that owns a company or something).

The government contract thing is really hot out here which is one reason I am nervous to leave the area without something set up in place for me in CA beforehand. Everyone that has a government security clearance makes really good money out here. It is almost guaranteed that you will get a great job with a clearance and the idea of job security is hard to give up.

You could try combining your geography skill with some coding knowledge. That will probably bump your pay rate up if you can find the right position. Have you ever tried a GPS company like Garmin or even the Google Maps division? That seems like it would be right up your alley with a Geography degree.

I'm pret much in the same place as you. Not working minimum wage but my salary is not enough to live the lifestyle I want to live (which is living in a nice crime-free area with good amenities in the city of my choice).
Networking was something I was never good at. And it didn't help that the college job fairs had nothing to do with my major. Currently, I am working and I'm trying to keep myself held together. I also understand that I need to plan for other endeavours.

I've gotten used to feeling like an anomaly. I had to learn to live with it most of my life. Interestingly, alot of my coworkers are Black. I haven't seen that "crabs in a barrel mentality" among my coworkers. Looking back at high school, I probably did see bits of the crab mentality. I remember a chemistry class I had. Out of about 26 students, 4(including me) were Black. I saw crabs in a barrel up close. A Black girl kept messing with me, and it reached a point where I just got up and sat in another seat, away from the rest of the class. She, and another guy(also Black) kept messing with me. I was the one who wanted to learn, who wanted good grades. Oddly enough, she wouldn't mess with the other kids in the class, just the nerdy Black guy. The two Black males who were class clowns. She had no issues getting along with them. This is an irony I've thought of. Someone would have clowned her for being "bougie". Even more ironic, she got good grades.

I never knew architects were having a hard time getting jobs. I figured it would be easier, seeing that people are always building things.

I did take coding classes in college. I did poorly in them. I want to try again. I will mention this. Some of my geography courses involved GIS and cartography. In that sense, I do have some experience with GIS software. I've applied for GPS companies in the past, and never got as much as a phone call back.

I know that Black females and Black males can get clowned for "acting White". It happens. It happened to my sister. It happened to me. It did a number on my sister's self esteem. Growing up, she pretty much had no Black friends, except for one, a male. In both of our cases, we got it in different ways. She got it only from Black girls. Classic "crabs in a barrel" mentality.

Your Miami incident made me think about what happened to me in college. I thought that college would be more accepting of me than high school. And for the most part, it was far more accepting than in my high school years. For that, running into certain racial issues was a shock to me. The police being called on me because I looked upset was a shock.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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As for Dave Chapelle, thank god he's funny or else he'd probably be working at the supermarket being that he has no bachelor's degree and no advanced education. So I don't know why anyone would quote him when speaking of education or socioeconomic advancement.

Lastly adults change careers as well. So just because it didn't occur to you to do something at the age of 15 is absolutely no excuse. The process to get there is similar, you will need to speak to people in that career path on all the required steps in order to get into that career and I don't care if you're 15 or 30!

Everyone has to deal with guidance counselors, teachers, professors, advisors for graduation requirements, for letters of recommendation, etc. Regardless of WHEN you first decided upon that career path.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Networking was something I was never good at. And it didn't help that the college job fairs had nothing to do with my major. Currently, I am working and I'm trying to keep myself held together. I also understand that I need to plan for other endeavours.

I've gotten used to feeling like an anomaly. I had to learn to live with it most of my life. Interestingly, alot of my coworkers are Black. I haven't seen that "crabs in a barrel mentality" among my coworkers. Looking back at high school, I probably did see bits of the crab mentality. I remember a chemistry class I had. Out of about 26 students, 4(including me) were Black. I saw crabs in a barrel up close. A Black girl kept messing with me, and it reached a point where I just got up and sat in another seat, away from the rest of the class. She, and another guy(also Black) kept messing with me. I was the one who wanted to learn, who wanted good grades. Oddly enough, she wouldn't mess with the other kids in the class, just the nerdy Black guy. The two Black males who were class clowns. She had no issues getting along with them. This is an irony I've thought of. Someone would have clowned her for being "bougie". Even more ironic, she got good grades.

I never knew architects were having a hard time getting jobs. I figured it would be easier, seeing that people are always building things.

I did take coding classes in college. I did poorly in them. I want to try again. I will mention this. Some of my geography courses involved GIS and cartography. In that sense, I do have some experience with GIS software. I've applied for GPS companies in the past, and never got as much as a phone call back.

I know that Black females and Black males can get clowned for "acting White". It happens. It happened to my sister. It happened to me. It did a number on my sister's self esteem. Growing up, she pretty much had no Black friends, except for one, a male. In both of our cases, we got it in different ways. She got it only from Black girls. Classic "crabs in a barrel" mentality.

Your Miami incident made me think about what happened to me in college. I thought that college would be more accepting of me than high school. And for the most part, it was far more accepting than in my high school years. For that, running into certain racial issues was a shock to me. The police being called on me because I looked upset was a shock.
You do realize that YOU have a problem yourself if you let these people comments bring you down, and the fact that years later you're talking about it on a message board means you still have difficulty coping.

Also if you aren't getting along with someone there is no reason you have to talk to them. You don't have to talk, like or care about someone who is Black.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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Thing about LA and blacks is that the most desirable areas of LA (Beverly Hills, West of the 405, Orange Co, beach, etc) are not where blacks generally live. Most blacks live far far away from those areas so it seems like the population is low. Also LA is so spread out it makes it seem like the numbers are low. Overall the black population is large in LA but once you factor in where LA "hot" spots are vs where blacks stay it makes it seem like the black population is lower. The average black person visiting LA is going to Santa Monica, Hollywood, etc and not to Compton or the IE. The average person visiting LA do not want to drive that far out to where they are because of the distance and traffic. Its kind of like Atlanta with the Asian population. We have a good Asian population but most of them live in Gwinnett County. The average person visiting the city will probably think that the Asian population is low
And even in Atlanta, the Black population can vary. If I spent all my time in Buckhead, it would be different than being in Cascade Heights. Actually, I notice the places with the largest Black populations aren't that close to the places that tourists go. It depends. I remember seeing alot of Black people when I went to Venice Beach. Saw a sizable amount when I went to Long Beach.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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Mid Wilshire is basically the middle of Los Angeles. It's basically the most integrated part of LA along with Mid City. If your any race, I would start here.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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You do realize that YOU have a problem yourself if you let these people comments bring you down, and the fact that years later you're talking about it on a message board means you still have difficulty coping.

Also if you aren't getting along with someone there is no reason you have to talk to them. You don't have to talk, like or care about someone who is Black.
Or maybe some of the stuff I have experienced is a small part of what goes on in society?
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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Thing about LA and blacks is that the most desirable areas of LA (Beverly Hills, West of the 405, Orange Co, beach, etc) are not where blacks generally live. Most blacks live far far away from those areas so it seems like the population is low. Also LA is so spread out it makes it seem like the numbers are low. Overall the black population is large in LA but once you factor in where LA "hot" spots are vs where blacks stay it makes it seem like the black population is lower. The average black person visiting LA is going to Santa Monica, Hollywood, etc and not to Compton or the IE. The average person visiting LA do not want to drive that far out to where they are because of the distance and traffic. Its kind of like Atlanta with the Asian population. We have a good Asian population but most of them live in Gwinnett County. The average person visiting the city will probably think that the Asian population is low
Compton and Inland Empire don't have good reputations either, and in fact anyone visiting LA would likely be warned not to go to those neighborhoods. Not SAFE.

Unless you're visiting relatives in those areas there is no reason to go.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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Compton and Inland Empire don't have good reputations either, and in fact anyone visiting LA would likely be warned not to go to those neighborhoods. Not SAFE.

Unless you're visiting relatives in those areas there is no reason to go.
Inland Empire is a big place, I wouldn't paint it with that large of a brush at all. But yes, it's so far that if your in the city there would be no reason to go.
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