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Old 07-06-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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You will always be poor with your attitude. You aren't capable of being rich and/or making a large salary. You are such a victim. Poor baby.
So many assumptions. Why can't we just discuss things instead of resorting to personal attacks? You have no idea how rich or poor I am, how much I make. Maybe I am rich and/or make a lot. I'm just representing the majority point of view in this country. And what will come to pass.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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So many assumptions. Why can't we just discuss things instead of resorting to personal attacks? You have no idea how rich or poor I am, how much I make. Maybe I am rich and/or make a lot. I'm just representing the majority point of view in this country. And what will come to pass.
If you are rich, you shouldn't have any qualms meeting CR on his proposal of a donation. After all, that was the premise of your argument to begin with.

This thread so delivers!
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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If you are rich, you shouldn't have any qualms meeting CR on his proposal of a donation. After all, that was the premise of your argument to begin with.

This thread so delivers!
Why dont you? Put your money where your mouth is.

Everyone's so prickly and hypersensitive and resorts to personal attacks. Why can't we have a civilized discussion?
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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Why dont you? Put your money where your mouth is.
Uh, because you're the one who is advocating for taking other people's money by force of the state to redistribute?

Yet you won't donate money to support those same causes out of your own pocket.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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Uh, because you're the one who is advocating for taking other people's money by force of the state to redistribute?

Yet you won't donate money to support those same causes out of your own pocket.
Because duh, it's easier when it's someone else's money.

Free health care, free college, government handouts, big pork projects, fatter pensions - all well and good when someone else pays for it.

The beauty of socialism, right?

And you know what's even better? When your money is taken from you by force, it will be redistributed to a new.... 00001% who will live in palaces while everyone else is "equal"... equally poor.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:36 PM
 
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Because duh, it's easier when it's someone else's money.

Free health care, free college, government handouts, big pork projects, fatter pensions - all well and good when someone else pays for it.

The beauty of socialism, right?

And you know what's even better? When your money is taken from you by force, it will be redistributed to a new.... 00001% who will live in palaces while everyone else is "equal"... equally poor.
wtf are you even talking about now?




I think this thread has started to take its toll.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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Why dont you? Put your money where your mouth is.

Everyone's so prickly and hypersensitive and resorts to personal attacks. Why can't we have a civilized discussion?
My mouth never went there like yours...
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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Is that supposed to discredit or support my statement?
Well, you wrote as quoted below:
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Someone that is born poor, is poor, thinks poor will stay poor.
I responded with a couple links to lists of people who became rich in spite of poor backgrounds. Now, you can point out that these people listed obviously didn't "think poor", therefore ... To which I will point out that at least for some of them, the focus of their success wasn't money at all. The focus was their idea, dream, art - etc.

I'll make the larger point that: "money" does not equal "success" -- unless money is your definition of success. And if money IS a person's definition of success, personally, I consider that person to be of extremely shallow character.
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Riddle me this, troll. If anyone is going to riot, who do you think is more "entitled" to do so? The perpetual freeloader claiming entitlements to the income of others, or the contributing citizen who has built their own fortune but is forced to distribute it to said freeloader?
Your criteria for both options is so incomplete as to be worthless for consideration. "Contributing" in what way to what? Built a fortune at what / whose expense? If the rich citizen has built a fortune by marketing tobacco products, for example, and contributes to an oppressive political system that exhibits callous disregard for human rights - and the "freeloader" is someone who refuses to be a cog in that wheel of destruction - then the two parties have a different distinction to consider, no?
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Old 07-06-2016, 02:34 PM
 
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Well, you wrote as quoted below:

I responded with a couple links to lists of people who became rich in spite of poor backgrounds. Now, you can point out that these people listed obviously didn't "think poor", therefore ... To which I will point out that at least for some of them, the focus of their success wasn't money at all. The focus was their idea, dream, art - etc.

I'll make the larger point that: "money" does not equal "success" -- unless money is your definition of success. And if money IS a person's definition of success, personally, I consider that person to be of extremely shallow character.
So you would say that disgruntled has extremely shallow character? Because all he seems to be interested in is getting money from other people.


Thinking poor does not only have to be about money. Someone that thinks poor in my view means they don't believe in themselves, don't invest in themselves, and have a defeatist attitude just like the person in this thread. A "poor" starving artist that works for days in the studio, or an up and coming athlete who trains to be the next star would not fit in this definition. Instead I am referring to the type of people whose solution to their problems is to do the bare minimum to survive and sponge off any handouts possible. Would you say that those are the character traits of someone that is likely to be successful?

In addition, I never said that poor people can't become rich. In fact, I even stated that a rich person who has "lost" their fortune (and would therefore be "poor") usually can recover because that is someone that is equipped with the skills, determination, and knowledge to succeed. These intangibles are irrelevant to one's bank account and cannot be taken away (except through mental disorders/health/etc).

Steve Jobs (who is on several of your lists) is a actually a great example of someone who was rich, lost it, and then came back. He made it huge with Apple and was then fired at the age of 23.
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