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Old 07-01-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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First off the bat I have to tell you that I'm not mad at you .

But that statement about San Francisco having Crystal Clear (air) man that's as phony as Gourmet bologna....LOL...

You need to Google State of the Air | American Lung Association.... The only cities in this area with Crystal Clear air are Tucson , San Diego California , Portland Oregon and Seattle Washington.

PS PostScript and you know that Los Angeles mountains are over 10,000 feet right.???.

And that snow is on Los Angeles Mountains for more than a couple months a year. I lived in Long Beach for a year and 2 months .

And the Bay Area for 35 years so I know what I'm talking about...
Yes, the LA mountains are big. No argument there. One mountain, Mt. Baldy, reaches and exceeds 10,000 feet, with several other peaks in the 7,000 and 8,000-foot range. But depending on the winter, some years the mountains get relatively small snowfall; other years, they get a ton. This past winter was dry, with not much snow in our local mountains.
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Old 07-01-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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SF is crystal clear, relative to LA. Because of the inversion layer that often sits above So. Cal, pollutants often get trapped under the lid of the inversion rather than simply dissipating into the atmosphere. The LA Basin routinely has brown, murky, stagnant air. SF, in comparison, rarely has air that you can see. Maybe the ozone levels are similar (not sure), but ozone is only aspect of dirty air. Bottom line is the air in and around LA is often brown and murky; in SF, the air is almost always clear, thanks in part to the strong winds that routinely blow in off the Bay. The winds blowing in off the coast of LA are much less consistent and not as strong.




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Old 07-01-2016, 07:28 PM
 
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Lol. Too bad you can rarely see those things through the valley smog. (And nice work, using a snapshot of snow-capped Mt. Baldy, which only looks like that a few months, maybe, out of the year; and good luck seeing it through the smog).

SF has crystal-clear air.
Saying "SF has crystal-clear air" is akin to saying "Santa Monica has crystal clear air." That's the true apples - apples comparison. We've got our smog basins here in the Bay Area, just like SoCal. Even SF proper sees it, almost the minute the onshore shuts down (which happens a lot between Oct and April, and can even happen during Summer for short periods).
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Old 07-01-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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SF is crystal clear, relative to LA. Because of the inversion layer that often sits above So. Cal, pollutants often get trapped under the lid of the inversion rather than simply dissipating into the atmosphere. The LA Basin routinely has brown, murky, stagnant air. SF, in comparison, rarely has air that you can see. Maybe the ozone levels are similar (not sure), but ozone is only aspect of dirty air. Bottom line is the air in and around LA is often brown and murky; in SF, the air is almost always clear, thanks in part to the strong winds that routinely blow in off the Bay. The winds blowing in off the coast of LA are much less consistent and not as strong.
News flash ... the Bay Area also has many inversions. The soundings done by the NWS at SFO, SJC and OAK don't lie.
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Old 07-01-2016, 08:54 PM
 
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Saying "SF has crystal-clear air" is akin to saying "Santa Monica has crystal clear air." That's the true apples - apples comparison. We've got our smog basins here in the Bay Area, just like SoCal. Even SF proper sees it, almost the minute the onshore shuts down (which happens a lot between Oct and April, and can even happen during Summer for short periods).
I said SF, which means just SF, not the entire Bay Area. Los Angeles proper compared to San Francisco proper. The low air quality rating for the Bay Area is for the entire Bay Area, which includes San Joaquin County and many other counties; those other counties drag the air quality rating down. San Francisco proper got a 'A' rating for ozone pollution; it got a 'C' rating for particle pollution, as of 2015. But when you combine the entire Bay Area together, the more polluted areas (further inland) drag the air quality rating down.

SF is a city that receives much greater air flow on a regular basis than does LA. And SF does not have as many high geographical obstructions blocking that air flow as well as trapping in pollutants.
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Old 07-01-2016, 08:59 PM
 
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San Francisco, not the entire Bay Area. The Bay Area includes San Joaquin County along with many other inland counties which drag the overall air quality score down.

Nice research though. Relying on Google is quick and easy, but it doesn't always produce accurate, unbiased info, at least not when the info is generalized or not sufficiently parsed to apply to a specific topic or subject.
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Old 07-02-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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Default Los angles

no doubt Los angles have more attractive rather then San Francisco. it is an awesome place i also like it alot
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Old 07-02-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: The State Of California
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San Francisco, not the entire Bay Area. The Bay Area includes San Joaquin County along with many other inland counties which drag the overall air quality score down.

Nice research though. Relying on Google is quick and easy, but it doesn't always produce accurate, unbiased info, at least not when the info is generalized or not sufficiently parsed to apply to a specific topic or subject.


I demonstrated and proved that what you said ( 50% ) was the absolute truth (San Francisco Air) ...is a lot better than (Los Angel CA air)......


On a side note these are the Bay Area Counties.........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Bay_Area


The Bay Area's nine counties are Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, Napa, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Solano, and Sonoma.[SIZE=1][3][/SIZE][SIZE=1][4][/SIZE] Home to approximately 7.65 million people,[SIZE=1][1][/SIZE] the nine-county Bay Area contains many cities, towns, airports
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Old 07-02-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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San Francisco is a much smaller city in terms of land areas, so it's really more comparable to larger edge cities in LA County such as Long Beach or Pasadena, for example.

You can't really compare SF to all of LA County or even all of LA city proper; it's just too small by comparison.

However, I truly believe that the nicer areas of LA are much nicer than anywhere in SF.

Yes, SF has better public transportation, prettier scenery and cooler weather (lots of people in CA seem to prefer cooler weather as opposed to warmer weather, for some odd reason), but at the end of the day, LA has a lot more going for it than SF, IMO.

Relative to SF, LA has:
-Warmer weather and ocean temps
-Less rain and fog (God, I hate rain and fog)
-Accessible, snow-capped mountains
-More attractive, well-dressed locals
-A friendlier, warmer, more approachable culture
-A more positive, upbeat vibe
-Greater diversity in people, food, viewpoints, ideologies, etc.
-More balanced politics thanks to conservative suburban areas nearby
-More family-oriented neighborhoods and attractions
-An economy that's less dependent on one particular sector (i.e., tech in SF)
-Cleaner, better-manicured and maintained upscale areas (e.g., West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, etc.)
-More favorable growing conditions for lots of plants, vegetables, fruit-bearing trees, etc. (I'm an avid gardener)
-More affordable real estate

The list goes on and on.

What I find most unappealing about San Francisco is the sheer vileness of the urbanscape.

The architecture is incredibly hideous. Every street and alleyway is littered with trash. Homeless people swarm every street corner, alleyway, building entrance, city park, etc. There is barely any greenery in the city away from the parks (no tree-lined streets, no lawns, etc.). Many neighborhoods in the city reek of marijuana, urine and fecal matter. The entire is freezing cold throughout the year.

That's not to mention that people in SF are generally smug, unfriendly and not particularly attractive or well-dressed. And in the gay scene at least, no one will pay you any mind if you're not hipster-looking.

Oh, yeah - and the food sucks in SF, too.

No, thanks.
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Old 07-02-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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I demonstrated and proved that what you said ( 50% ) was the absolute truth (San Francisco Air) ...is a lot better than (Los Angel CA air)......


On a side note these are the Bay Area Counties.........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Bay_Area


The Bay Area's nine counties are Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, Napa, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Solano, and Sonoma.[SIZE=1][3][/SIZE][SIZE=1][4][/SIZE] Home to approximately 7.65 million people,[SIZE=1][1][/SIZE] the nine-county Bay Area contains many cities, towns, airports
The air quality report from 2015 that I referenced included San Joaquin County in the overall report for Bay Area air quality. And even with that inclusion, San Francisco proper received a combined 'B' rating; 'A' for ozone, 'C' for particulate matter.
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