homeless people making the sidewalk their home? (Culver City, Beverly Hills: crime, felony)

[jm1982]

Example here of why these encampments are unlikely to go away under this current Mayor


LA Mayor Eric Garcetti counting on new HOPE program to help the homeless

[jm1982]

"The issue of urban homelessness again made headlines following the death of a gay man in Miami — the husband of an AIDS organization executive director — after he was shoved to the ground by a transient arrested 29 times previously."

Why are people being arrested 29 times ?
How many " chances " should we give people .
Some just need to be locked up forever..

After Gay Man Killed by Transient, Will Cities Confront Homelessness? | Advocate.com

[ThaBigHomieGucci]

The solution to the homeless problem in LA is very simple
The solution to the housing problem in LA is very simple
The solution to the traffic problem in LA is very simple
Build more residential units market rate and lower income/homeless, build more office units and industrial units
Expand and fund our public transit system
Find a good source of water
Build! If done correctly and not haphazardly it's the only solution

[Cream1]

Originally Posted by ThaBigHomieGucci

The solution to the homeless problem in LA is very simple
The solution to the housing problem in LA is very simple
The solution to the traffic problem in LA is very simple
Build more residential units market rate and lower income/homeless, build more office units and industrial units
Expand and fund our public transit system
Find a good source of water
Build! If done correctly and not haphazardly it's the only solution

Thankfully you're not in charge of anything and just and internet troll

[cmarlin20]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I'm a bit dizzy ...

I realize I didn't post this to the attention of 2sleepy. That post was directed to his many rambling replies to me.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

"The issue of urban homelessness again made headlines following the death of a gay man in Miami — the husband of an AIDS organization executive director — after he was shoved to the ground by a transient arrested 29 times previously."

Why are people being arrested 29 times ? How many " chances " should we give people . Some just need to be locked up forever..

Another article stated they were all minor charges and most had been dropped. Let me explain something to you about American jurisprudence. Getting arrested for numerous minor violations and having most of the charges dropped does not somehow lead to a 'life sentence'. And while what happened to the victim is a tragedy, you need to ask yourself if he could have avoided his untimely death if he had not decided to photograph the homeless man in order to 'report his behavior to the police'; and no I'm not blaming the victim but really- why stop and photograph a crazy guy? "Dutton told police that he and Lang often saw Celestin “asking for money and causing disturbances,” and said the men wanted to pass the photos along to the proper authorities".

[cmarlin20]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I think what you are saying is that 5150 H&S already allows for involuntary confinement of the mentally ill which is true, but what you do not seem to understand is that as soon as a mentally ill person 'recovers' enough so that they know their name, they understand that they need to eat and drink water to stay alive, and they are not threatening anyone they are released, that usually happens sometime during the 72 hour hold but almost always before 14 days.

Almost no one in California is confined in a mental hospital long term. The provisions of Lanterman-Petris ensure that the mentally ill are immediately released when they no longer pose an immediate threat to themselves or others, maybe our 'misunderstanding' is that you think once you 5150 a person they are off the streets for good, if so then you need to understand; that is NOT what happens. And just to be clear (and I'm not sure you understand this either) a person can almost never be treated with psychotropic drugs against their will.

You keep stating I don't understand, I do understand. I've never said, nor implied, I thought a 5150, takes someone off the streets for good. I've already stated I understand 5150 and the right to refuse drugs, I hear inmates refuse drugs every week. Your continued insistence I don't understand appears to be another attempted strawman.

Why join a discussion forum only to be angered when others have a different perspective, if you have concern for the homeless why do you attack and insult others instead of conveying your understanding of the subject.

Simple question you haven't answered, do you believe the vulnerable gravely disabled should be left on the street to fend for themselves if they refuse housing?

If my postings anger or frustrate you, don't reply to them, just scroll on by

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by cmarlin20

Simple question you haven't answered, do you believe the vulnerable gravely disabled should be left on the street to fend for themselves if they refuse housing?

I'll answer anything you want as soon as you explain what you think should happen to them and how the current law supports your solution.

[cmarlin20]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I'll answer anything you want as soon as you explain what you think should happen to them and how the current law supports your solution.

One more non answer.

[jm1982]

2sleepy , that does sound like blaming the victim .. doesnt law enforcement always ask for a description of the criminal or perpetrator ?

If they were arrested 29 times how many other crimes did they commit ? Probably hundreds .
Sorry I don't think people that continuously get arrested should be around us law abiding citizens .
You might be fine being around people like that .