It's official : Homeless housing will cost $350,000 PER unit (Los Angeles, Riverside: house, wages)

[majoun]

Originally Posted by thelopez2

By weight Houston is higher, by number of units TEU, LA/Long beach is higher.



With so many containers, just turn them into stackable units for only $30k
Shipping Container Homes for Sale | MODS International

I'm not talking about fancy ones23 Shipping Container Home Owners Speak Out:

Just stack em up like a pyramid

Turning containers into homes for the homeless sounds like a good way to deal with the problem for not much money. Especially if we put them in Barstow, Salton City, Needles, or Trona.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by majoun

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I'm sure I was in Los Angeles before you ever were.

You're not even making sense here. Just cutting and pasting the same (ironically mostly left wing) crap over and over.

Anyways, how much is enough? A lot more than we have.

There is a major shortage of housing in L.A. Variances wouldn't be as common if zoning was more realistic.
When you overregulate to the point that virtually any behavior becomes illegal, you eliminate respect for the law, and you facilitate corruption. This is a consequence of zoning laws getting stricter in the '70s.

"The 1960s were heady times for the conversion of single-family homes into multifamily dingbat apartments, leading residents to fret about the loss of "neighborhood character." This usually equates with a fear of poor people and/or minorities. They were, at the same time, horrible times for public transit, as the trolly system clanged its last bell. The freeways ran smoothly for a while, but then they filled up, leading to more fears about growth....So, homeowners pushed through anti-growth legislation, advocated by residents who wanted to keep Los Angeles all to themselves. "



Los Angeles' Slow-Growthers Have Gotten What They Wanted - CP&DR

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LA storeys | The Economist

I simply re-pasted some of my previous posts because you're not paying attention. We have a people surplus, not a housing shortage. And I don't see why you need to take out your resentment of not being able to afford property on those who own property by wanting to turn more SFR's into multifamily. A lot of people in your age group who were artists and whatever in the 60's enjoy the Monterey area of CA, so why not live up there?

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

I simply re-pasted some of my previous posts because you're not paying attention. We have a people surplus, not a housing shortage.?

Cutting and pasting the same economically illiterate garbage doesn't make it any more true.

The housing shortage is documented fact. But let's say there was such a thing as a "people surplus". (Where'd you learn economics from, the Good Earth Commune?) It would still mean that the laws and regulations would have to change to allow more housing to be built.

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by majoun

No one has ever said that.

So then where do you think all this housing can be built? There's very little undeveloped land in LA, unless you want high rise apartments built on mountains!

There's underutilized land, and much of it is being developed.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

So then where do you think all this housing can be built? There's very little undeveloped land in LA, unless you want high rise apartments built on mountains!

There's underutilized land, and much of it is being developed.

I said that SOME R1 areas should be rezoned. Not all of them.
L.A. right now is 78% R1 according to The Economist. If that decreased to 50-55% there could be a lot more housing built.
50-55% isn't 0%.

LA storeys | The Economist

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by majoun

I said that SOME R1 areas should be rezoned. Not all of them.
L.A. right now is 78% R1 according to The Economist. If that decreased to 50-55% there could be a lot more housing built.
50-55% isn't 0%.

LA storeys | The Economist

Why make it more crowded? No one has an absolute right to live in CA, just the opportunity to do so. Why make it worse than it is now???

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by majoun

Cutting and pasting the same economically illiterate garbage doesn't make it any more true.

The housing shortage is documented fact. But let's say there was such a thing as a "people surplus". (Where'd you learn economics from, the Good Earth Commune?) It would still mean that the laws and regulations would have to change to allow more housing to be built.

There is only a housing shortage because there are too many people who want to jam themselves into an already congested city that does not have the infrastructure to support more people. You know I am correct, so just stop with all the silly nonsense. This is more ridiculous than you claim that Janet Dickinson lied about being raped by Bill Cosby because she was a prostitute that didn't get paid enough by him.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Why make it more crowded? No one has an absolute right to live in CA, just the opportunity to do so. Why make it worse than it is now???

In the short run the population growth will happen whether anything is built or not. Might as well roll back some of the overregulation that is keeping property owners from fully using their land for its highest and best use, and which is economically killing L.A. Less regulation would mean more jobs.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by majoun

In the short run the population growth will happen whether anything is built or not. Might as well roll back some of the overregulation that is keeping property owners from fully using their land for its highest and best use, and which is economically killing L.A. Less regulation would mean more jobs.

Yeah, gotta keep those profits up. Let's just all become the Borg and that way we can have billions of people living here.

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Why make it more crowded? No one has an absolute right to live in CA, just the opportunity to do so. Why make it worse than it is now???

Of course nobody has a right to live anywhere but that is beside the point.

California's population growth these days is largely an organic growth of births over deaths. The long run economic growth of the state could be impacted as many middle class California-born households leave the state due to high housing costs caused by an insufficient new supply of housing. A couple of studies from UCLA and UC Riverside have come out recently highlighting this issue.

California's housing shortage will hamper the economy, reports say - LA Times

The housing shortage forces California employers to pay higher wages than elsewhere in the nation, raising costs for California consumers and diminishing the state’s competitiveness. Some middle-class households choose to move out of California in search of more affordable housing, depriving the state of young, skilled workers who represent the backbone of the workforce — and the state’s future.

"What’s driving this housing crisis? It’s a classic problem of supply and demand. The state doesn’t build enough housing to accommodate its population growth." This is even more pronounced in coastal counties like Los Angeles County.

I don't ever expect California to be like Houston or Florida which have tons of land at very low prices making it very easy to add new (and cheap) housing supply. But the state could certainly do a better job at adding more housing than it does currently.