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Old 03-09-2008, 03:08 PM
 
Location: West LA
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The EPA defines moderate air quality as follows "Unusually sensitive people should consider reducing prolonged or heavy exertion." Doesn't sound too alarming to me.

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Above is a map of the whole country.

Trust me, I'm all for improving the air quality. I'll also be the first to admit LA does NOT have the cleanest air in the country. What I'm also saying is that I don't believe the air quality in a good part of LA is poor enough to be a reason not to move here. The Inland Empire... maybe it's bad enough there to deter me. I just want to make sure people who visit this site are able to get two sides to the argument. I totally understand where you guys are coming from though. Debate is good.

Besides, wouldn't you rather deal with LA smog than SF smug?
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Old 03-09-2008, 03:29 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The EPA defines moderate air quality as follows "Unusually sensitive people should consider reducing prolonged or heavy exertion." Doesn't sound too alarming to me.

AIRNow - Home

Above is a map of the whole country.

Trust me, I'm all for improving the air quality. I'll also be the first to admit LA does NOT have the cleanest air in the country. What I'm also saying is that I don't believe the air quality in a good part of LA is poor enough to be a reason not to move here. The Inland Empire... maybe it's bad enough there to deter me. I just want to make sure people who visit this site are able to get two sides to the argument. I totally understand where you guys are coming from though. Debate is good.

Besides, wouldn't you rather deal with LA smog than SF smug?

I would take the weather in SF ANY day over that of LA... SF is far more moist, and gets much more rain, which cleans the air more often, and reduces allergies... SF has WAY better air quality than LA.
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Old 03-09-2008, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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I would take the weather in SF ANY day over that of LA... SF is far more moist, and gets much more rain, which cleans the air more often, and reduces allergies... SF has WAY better air quality than LA.
San Francisco doesn't get that much more rain than LA.
LA averages about 15" a year and, according to weather.com, SF averages 22.28" a year.

Also, some of the surrounding cities in the LA area get about the same rainfall as SF. For instance, Tujunga, at an elevation of 1,800 feet, receives an average of 22.45" a year.
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Old 03-09-2008, 09:17 PM
 
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The EPA defines moderate air quality as follows "Unusually sensitive people should consider reducing prolonged or heavy exertion." Doesn't sound too alarming to me.

AIRNow - Home

Above is a map of the whole country.

Trust me, I'm all for improving the air quality. I'll also be the first to admit LA does NOT have the cleanest air in the country. What I'm also saying is that I don't believe the air quality in a good part of LA is poor enough to be a reason not to move here. The Inland Empire... maybe it's bad enough there to deter me. I just want to make sure people who visit this site are able to get two sides to the argument. I totally understand where you guys are coming from though. Debate is good.

Besides, wouldn't you rather deal with LA smog than SF smug?
That's all I'm saying, If people are not aware of the true facts then it's impossible to make an educated choice. Plus, the more people are educated the more political will there will be to change the situation.

Peoples interpretation does vary depending upon location, I agree.

I can understand that you are okay with the air quality in your area for yourself. I mean obviously if you weren't then you would pick up and move.
I think that different people have different tolerance levels for air pollution.

One of the biggest problems is that the scientific data regarding health affects is not complete. There are many studies that link pollutants to cancer and mental problems but they aren't all conclusive.

Just like cigarettes in the beginning, no one fully understood the health affects.

I know one thing for sure (from self monitoring) when the air is bad, it makes me feel bad (energy levels, headache, irritability,) I even notice a slight increase in blood pressure. Also the lack of visibility and ugliness of it, has a depressing psychological effect on me.

Doesn't mean that everyday the air is bad is a bad day, but it definitely has a major effect on my day. It's the first thing I look at everyday when I go outside. When I was younger I didn't care as much, but now i am starting to care much more about things like that.

Anyway, I would love to see the day when all of SoCal has zero air pollution, that would be awesome! That is a big part of the reason I find it so important that people understand and are aware of the health effects, because the more educated we all are, the more likely we are to elect leaders that will make the changes.

I used to not care about it at all, part of reason was because I knew nothing about it.
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Old 03-09-2008, 09:30 PM
 
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i just wanted to say, that if u have a white car and u park it on the street for a week in los angeles there will be a thin layer of black soot over the entire car. u have to agree that "something" is not right in the air?
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Old 03-09-2008, 09:36 PM
 
Location: San DiFrangeles, Ca
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There is a layer that will form over your vehicle, but it is only black when there are wildfires locally. I've only seen a brownish soot and most of it is from dust. Unless you live in an incredibly industrial area, I doubt your claim.
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:17 PM
 
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There is a layer that will form over your vehicle, but it is only black when there are wildfires locally. I've only seen a brownish soot and most of it is from dust. Unless you live in an incredibly industrial area, I doubt your claim.
Is Orange County (Urban Anaheim and Santa Ana) much cleaner than Los Angeles or is it the same? Why is the IE supposed to be so polluted...I see all this stuff about how bad the air is out there...could you please explain,
Thanks
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Old 03-09-2008, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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The Inland Empire is so polluted, because that's where all of the metropolitan smog gets trapped. There is a reason this area is called the L.A. Basin, after all! That area in particular is surrounded by extremely high mountains with very little wind in the summer to clean it out. Add the temperature inversions that are also common in the summer, and you have some of the worst air in the country.
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Old 03-10-2008, 12:47 AM
 
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The Inland Empire is so polluted, because that's where all of the metropolitan smog gets trapped. There is a reason this area is called the L.A. Basin, after all! That area in particular is surrounded by extremely high mountains with very little wind in the summer to clean it out. Add the temperature inversions that are also common in the summer, and you have some of the worst air in the country.
You sound like you know more than me about the subject.

Whats a temperature inversion?
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Old 03-10-2008, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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You sound like you know more than me about the subject.

Whats a temperature inversion?
A temperature inversion is a situation where the temperature of the air increases with altitude. Normally temperature decreases with altitude about 3.5F-5F per 1000 feet (I think it depends on humidity). I used to fly private planes and have experienced temperature inversion while descending. It got cooler as we descended. Weird.

Have you ever used wikipedia?

Inversion (meteorology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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