LAPD Will Not Work With Trump Administration: Beck (Los Angeles, Palmdale: crime rates, neighborhoods)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jacktravern

Fair enough, If you know they are around in abundance in your city,and you know who they are, and you are not giving them up, then effect you are harboring. For starters, every public school guidance counselor has access to a student's records. They can see if the child has no SS # and country of birth. It's not rocket science.

Sorry, but ICE doesn't want all these illegals turned in. They can't process them all. The former director of ICE under GW Bush was just interviewed on NPR tonight. She affirmed that their courts can't keep up with the big numbers. That's why their focus is on the percentage that are involved in serious crime.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimber

This is scary. These people don't value life the way we Americans do. You look at them wrong they might cut your throat. With 4/5 murders going unsolved, I would not be surprised if a great deal of homocide is caused by these illegals and foreign gang members.

Speaking of which does anybody know if the police got any leads on that entire ohio family that was killed over pot?

You are grossly mistaken and misinformed by myths.

The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime

Newcomers to the U.S. are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated.


The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime - WSJ

More:
Tom Tancredo muffs illegal immigrant murder stats | PunditFact

Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?

Truth vs. perception of crime rates for immigrants | PBS NewsHour

[jm1982]

Yeah it's absurd that Beck won't cooperate.
If L.A loses funding it means more taxes.

Also many of the other sanctuary cities likely won't be as stubborn. Apparently there are hundreds of sanctuary cities in the US.

All those illegals will come to L.A and the problem will be even worse than it is.

The idea that all people coming here undocumented are all just working as housekeepers and gardeners is a delusion.
I find it disgusting that people would not just break immigration laws but then gangbang,rob and steal.

Currently these people are committing crimes and then let back onto the streets.
Imagine if we did this in other countries , they'd probably kill us .

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Yeah it's absurd that Beck won't cooperate.
If L.A loses funding it means more taxes.

Also many of the other sanctuary cities likely won't be as stubborn. Apparently there are hundreds of sanctuary cities in the US.

All those illegals will come to L.A and the problem will be even worse than it is.

The idea that all people coming here undocumented are all just working as housekeepers and gardeners is a delusion.
I find it disgusting that people would not just break immigration laws but then gangbang,rob and steal.

Currently these people are committing crimes and then let back onto the streets.
Imagine if we did this in other countries , they'd probably kill us .

Good old jm has his "ignore button" on so he just blathers on while the truth is illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens do. Proven fact. So, if the illegals increase in LA, as he suggests (but they won't), crime will actually go down. Not up.

[jm1982]

L.A high school kids are now 'making demands' wow. Also some Latinos are apparently now calling themselves Latinx..

At what point do the legal citizen taxpayers and voters in L.A say enough is enough of this craziness?

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The students who participated in Monday’s march came from more than half a dozen high schools on the east side of Los Angeles, where with majority of students are Latinx. At Roosevelt High alone more than 95% of students are Latinx, and the school even has a club for undocumented students.

“Even though the president and Congress will be led by Republicans, we’re ready to stand united and defeat any obstacles that come our way,” said Ramirez, whose parents are from Mexico.

The students who participated in Monday’s march came from more than half a dozen high schools on the east side of Los Angeles, where with majority of students are Latinx. At Roosevelt High alone more than 95% of students are Latinx, and the school even has a club for undocumented students.

“Even though the president and Congress will be led by Republicans, we’re ready to stand united and defeat any obstacles that come our way,” said Ramirez, whose parents are from Mexico.


L.A. High School Walk Out Protest Now Has Demands | Fusion

[LuvSouthOC]

Places like LA and Chicago will effectively become feudal city states defying the Federal government. It won't end well for these city states.

[anonimuso]

What amazed me about the Obama administration was that they claimed they were suing states who implemented their own laws to stop illegal immigration (NC, AZ, etc.) in their states because it conflicted and interfered with the federal government's enforcement of the laws, but these sanctuary cities literally REFUSE to turn over illegal immigrants and cooperate in any way with ICE, which I'm pretty sure interferes, but the Obama administration never went after them. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Good old jm has his "ignore button" on so he just blathers on while the truth is illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens do. Proven fact. So, if the illegals increase in LA, as he suggests (but they won't), crime will actually go down. Not up.

I do not believe that claim. And why would anybody? If that claim was true, why would African-Americans in droves be leaving areas with increasing illegal alien populations and moving to places such as Palmdale?

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

I do not believe that claim. And why would anybody? If that claim was true, why would African-Americans in droves be leaving areas with increasing illegal alien populations and moving to places such as Palmdale?

Blacks left South Los Angeles for a variety of reasons including greater economic opportunity in more suburban areas of the Metro area while others went to other states like Texas or the deep south.

But why would anybody believe the claim? Because they'd look at the evidence from reputable sources.

You've been around long enough to know what a killing zone LA was circa 1990. We've seen a dramatic decrease in homicides and violent crime since that time. Yet, we got "flooded" with illegals during that time period. That ought to tell you something.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

I do not believe that claim. And why would anybody? If that claim was true, why would African-Americans in droves be leaving areas with increasing illegal alien populations and moving to places such as Palmdale?

Because they don't like illegals? Because they don't like Hispanics? Because they don't know the truth and believe the same myths you and jm and OC do? Because what you say is your personal perception not backed by fact? I dunno.

"[D]ata from the census and a wide range of other empirical studies show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans, who make up the bulk of the undocumented population." (Ruben Rumbaut, University of California, 2008. Published by the Police Foundation.)

"[i]mmigrants are underrepresented in California prisons compared to their representation in the overall population. In fact, U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate over two-and-a-half times greater than that of foreign-born men." (Public Policy Institute of California, 2008.)

"There’s essentially no correlation between immigrants and violent crime." (Jörg Spenkuch, Northwestern University, 2014. Published by the university.) He did find a small correlation between immigration and property crime, but only a slight one.

"Foreign-born individuals exhibit remarkably low levels of involvement in crime across their life course." (Bianca Bersani, University of Massachusetts, 2014. Published in Justice Quarterly.) Citing Bersani's work, Pew Research created this graph, showing crime rates among the immigrant community.

"The crime rate among first-generation immigrants — those who came to this country from somewhere else — is significantly lower than the overall crime rate and that of the second generation," they write.
Since undocumented immigrants are more than a quarter of the immigrant population, it's nearly impossible that the overall-immigrant crime rate could be so much lower if the undocumented-immigrant crime rate were significantly higher.

And more:

Tom Tancredo muffs illegal immigrant murder stats | PunditFact

Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?

Truth vs. perception of crime rates for immigrants | PBS NewsHour

And there's more, but I'll stop here.