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Old 01-10-2017, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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The counties Trump carried account for a measly 36% of America's GDP (Clinton counties: 64%). Trump counties are generally rural and threadbare with amenities.

In short: right-leaning counties don't have a pot to **** in AND they're loaded with some of the most heartless people around (conservatives). It's no surprise that big urban centers like Los Angeles and NYC draw more homeless than podunk Kansas and South Dakota.
Spoken like a true bubble-dwelling Californian who's likely never left the state. That's right--nobody in counties Clinton carried voted for Trump, and everywhere between Los Angeles and NYC is Deliverance.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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I think you're onto something.

I don't think California, New York, Washington, or Colorado are creating homeless, but I do agree with you that they tend to migrate to those states willingly, especially to the urban cities.

It's like they're attracted to something there, like some benefit or something.
The increase in homeless in NYC is partially local, though you do have homeless from other states. Hyper gentrification resulted in the loss of a lot of low income housing. A number of people who have criminal records (in large part of the war on drugs) are largely unemployable, so they can't get jobs. In order to get an apartment in a decent part of NYC, one has to make 4 times one month's rent. For a big sector of the working class, jobs don't pay that well.

In NYC one can get around without a car, and easily get to things like social services via public transportation, so that does probably draw homeless from the area's suburbs, as it would be much harder to get around in the NYC area suburbs (commuter rail is expensive).
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:09 AM
 
Location: South Florida
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Overnight?

So Obama, and Clinton who held office for 16 years combined (TWICE as long as Reagan) weren't able to stop the economy from "tanking"?
I don't think you understand why the economy tanked.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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The increase in homeless in NYC is partially local, though you do have homeless from other states. Hyper gentrification resulted in the loss of a lot of low income housing. A number of people who have criminal records (in large part of the war on drugs) are largely unemployable, so they can't get jobs. In order to get an apartment in a decent part of NYC, one has to make 4 times one month's rent. For a big sector of the working class, jobs don't pay that well.

In NYC one can get around without a car, and easily get to things like social services via public transportation, so that does probably draw homeless from the area's suburbs, as it would be much harder to get around in the NYC area suburbs (commuter rail is expensive).
I agree with most of what you have said though I question whether those drug offenders are largely unemployable because of their records or their continuing drug addiction. I suspect it's a mixture of both from my experience with homeless in LA and SF.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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I don't think you understand why the economy tanked.
Please explain. Why did the economy "tank" and how come Clinton and Obama weren't able to fix it through 4 presidential terms?
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Old 01-11-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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The increase in homeless in NYC is partially local, though you do have homeless from other states. Hyper gentrification resulted in the loss of a lot of low income housing. A number of people who have criminal records (in large part of the war on drugs) are largely unemployable, so they can't get jobs. In order to get an apartment in a decent part of NYC, one has to make 4 times one month's rent. For a big sector of the working class, jobs don't pay that well.

In NYC one can get around without a car, and easily get to things like social services via public transportation, so that does probably draw homeless from the area's suburbs, as it would be much harder to get around in the NYC area suburbs (commuter rail is expensive).
Most homeless in NYC you see on the streets are certainly not from the city, and certainly were not gentrified out.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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Most homeless in NYC you see on the streets are certainly not from the city, and certainly were not gentrified out.
From speaking to people who work in social services in NYC, most of the people in the system are from NYC. of course newcomers come to the city as well, but the city and the metro area is producing most of the area homeless, due to the factors I went over.

Homelessness rose in part because of evictions (this was documented) and many of the homeless were New Yorkers who were in and out of the prison system.

People would love to believe big city homeless are all these terrible people coming from wherever to plague LA, NYC, or whatever big city, when the reality is MOST of the homeless are locals from these cities perspective metro areas.
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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From speaking to people who work in social services in NYC, most of the people in the system are from NYC.
Key word: in the system. The homeless that are in the system do not sleep on the streets. They are housed in shelters or hotels. The homeless that you see sleeping on the streets in NYC are not from here. In addition, the NYC homeless census is conducted in the winter, so the "system" is designed to catch only the homeless who stay here more or less permanently, it doesn't register transients and homeless druggies.

Source: I have personally volunteered for the NYC homeless census. There is another HOPE (Homeless Outreach Population Estimate) coming up soon.
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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Perhaps if the Dems and Libs in Ca would help the homeless "Americans" rather than people who cross our borders illegally we wouldn't have the numbers of homeless currently occupying our streets. The money that Ca spends subsidizing non citizens could go a long way in resolving our homeless issues.... just sayin.
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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The 1st thing Dems and Libs in Ca should do to help the homeless is invite them into their homes.
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