Domestic Terrorism: Latino/Black Gang Warfare in Los Angeles (jobs, sick)

[LuckyGem]

This is the second gang shooting in Los Angeles in less than a week which has been motivated by ethnicity.

What do you think about this? What do you think can be done? What do you think are the root causes of this problem? Is it "motivated by ethnicity"? Is it the result of illegal immigration which caused the numbers of Latinos to triple over the past 10 years?

There is serious tension in the City of Los Angeles with regard to Latino and Black gang warfare. Blacks are being moved out of neighborhoods which were traditionally African American areas by Latinos competing for housing, jobs and resources. In traditionally Latino areas of Los Angeles, blacks are being targeted if they drive through a Latino area to get from point A to point B.

Los Angeles Times - March 5, 2008
Boy, 6, shot in head in Harbor Gateway area

The victim's family was driving through the neighborhood, known for racial tensions between Latino gangs and black residents. He is in critical condition.

A 6-year-old black boy was critically wounded Tuesday when he was shot in the head by suspected Latino gang members as the victim's family drove through the Harbor Gateway neighborhood on their way to an auto auction, Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton said.

When answering this thread do not post anything that resembles this:

"This is contained to a few areas in the city, everyone knows not to go there so if you stay away you won't be affected."

Because that kind of an answer says to me:
"That makes it o.k. because it's not happening in MY part of the city."

or-

Blacks have been killing Latinos for years and nobody said anything about it.

They have both been killing each other for years and nobody has said anything about it.


****It's not happening in MY part of the city either, and hasn't touched anyone I know personally, but it doesn't mean I'm not totally disgusted by this.

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What you all need to know and understand is that Latino gangs, by order of the Mexican Mafia "La Eme" are exterminating (yes I said EXTERMINATING) black people from Latino neighborhoods in Los Angeles - this is ethnic cleansing. If they move in they are targeted for killing, if they drive THROUGH neighborhoods they are targeted for killing.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has done NOTHING about this, barely speaks about it in these terms, but Newsweek, the LA times, CNN other news outlets are beginning to speak about it for WHAT IT IS.

Latino gangs in Los Angeles targeting Blacks (gang member or NOT!) for extermination. PERIOD. YES IT IS THAT SERIOUS.

Anyone who is even considering moving to a city with these kinds of problems really needs to take a look at everything about the city before you decide to uproot yourself and move miles away from your comfort zone into a city with problems deeper than you are prepared for.

If you think that by avoiding these areas you will avoid being confronted with this problem, you are probably 70% right. But at the same time, is it human to simply ignore this problem because it does not directly affect your life when it's going on all around you?

There are 80,000 gang members in Los Angeles in 700 gangs (+ or -).
There are 9,600 full time LAPD officers.

How long do you think this will stay contained to "those parts of town"?

Do your research before you decide to move here.

If you live here, anyone reading this post needs to start to put pressure on the Mayor's office, and Governor's office to get to the root of the gang warfare and stop trying to paste a band-aid on a festering gunshot wound.

Street gangs are DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. They should be on trial in federal court as DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. This needs to be shut down immediately.

[marilyn220]

Just wanted to say that when I heard Commisioner Bratton say that this was NOT a race war that's when I knew it was indeed a "race war". Those people were targeted for no other reason than for the color of their skin. They weren't even from around the neighborhood. That could easily have been me or my family.

Luckily for me, I have no reason to go to South Central LA for anything (and hopefully never will), but damn.

It's funny how these gang members never go after REAL BLACK GANGSTAS. It's always civilians.

What's really messed up is that there really isn't a strong black populace in LA anyway. I'm from NYC and we're EVERYWHERE. Not in LA.

[LuckyGem]

Originally Posted by marilyn220

Just wanted to say that when I heard Commisioner Bratton say that this was NOT a race war that's when I knew it was indeed a "race war". Those people were targeted for no other reason than for the color of their skin. They weren't even from around the neighborhood. That could easily have been me or my family.

Luckily for me, I have no reason to go to South Central LA for anything (and hopefully never will), but damn.

It's funny how these gang members never go after REAL BLACK GANGSTAS. It's always civilians.

What's really messed up is that there really isn't a strong black populace in LA anyway. I'm from NYC and we're EVERYWHERE. Not in LA.

I'm watching this issue very closely over the next few weeks.

Summer is coming and Los Angeles is also known for freeway snipers. You never know what is going to come next when they decide they've had enough of being watched in the neighborhood.

[bhcompy]

So gangs have been fighting each other? That's not news, it's the norm and it happens everywhere gangs reside.

Gangs(and areas in general) are a million times better than they were in the 80s and early 90s. Recession brings crime levels up, so if recession sticks around crime will jump, but ultimately, what we are seeing now is childsplay compared to what has been. Not a big deal, not going to spread other than scattered incidents or a small spattering of events before it's gone.

As far as "freeway sniping", when this occurs its almost always an isolated person whos off his rocker. I rarely even see insinuations that gangs are involved in freeway sniping and it would attract the attention of more than just the city cops if they did(state and federal authorities would get involved at that point). Self destructive. There was an epidemic a while back of people dropping stuff off bridges, but those are usually attributed to idiot kids, not a gang-war on commuters. I believe they arrested someone in that as well and it tapered off.

[LuckyGem]

Originally Posted by bhcompy

So gangs have been fighting each other? That's not news, it's the norm and it happens everywhere gangs reside.

Gangs(and areas in general) are a million times better than they were in the 80s and early 90s. Recession brings crime levels up, so if recession sticks around crime will jump, but ultimately, what we are seeing now is childsplay compared to what has been. Not a big deal, not going to spread other than scattered incidents or a small spattering of events before it's gone.

As far as "freeway sniping", when this occurs its almost always an isolated person whos off his rocker. I rarely even see insinuations that gangs are involved in freeway sniping and it would attract the attention of more than just the city cops if they did(state and federal authorities would get involved at that point). Self destructive. There was an epidemic a while back of people dropping stuff off bridges, but those are usually attributed to idiot kids, not a gang-war on commuters. I believe they arrested someone in that as well and it tapered off.

I see you're happy with status-quo. You're saying let's keep everything as it is and let them kill each other. Just so you know, this kind of thing hasn't always been the "norm". Maybe since you have been reading the newspaper, but not when I was a kid growing up.

Simply because things have been one way in the past doesn't mean they have to stay the same forever. You're not in the mind of the gang members who have declared street warfare. You are not a psychic and cannot predict where the level of violence will go.

The family who's van was shot up yesterday, are the perfect example of a gang war on commuters. Commuters driving and being targetted because they were black while driving from point A to point B. Simple Commuters.

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by marilyn220

Just wanted to say that when I heard Commisioner Bratton say that this was NOT a race war that's when I knew it was indeed a "race war". Those people were targeted for no other reason than for the color of their skin. They weren't even from around the neighborhood. That could easily have been me or my family.

Luckily for me, I have no reason to go to South Central LA for anything (and hopefully never will), but damn.

It's funny how these gang members never go after REAL BLACK GANGSTAS. It's always civilians.

What's really messed up is that there really isn't a strong black populace in LA anyway. I'm from NYC and we're EVERYWHERE. Not in LA.

It didn't happen in Soth Central LA, it happened in Harbor Gateway. Same place where a few years ago little Cheryl Green was murdered for being black on the wrong side of the street.

Any loss of innocent life is wrong - unfortunately those gangs are not only targeting each other, they are killing innocent children and bystanders with near impunity.

[wclac]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

It didn't happen in Soth Central LA, it happened in Harbor Gateway. Same place where a few years ago little Cheryl Green was murdered for being black on the wrong side of the street.

Any loss of innocent life is wrong - unfortunately those gangs are not only targeting each other, they are killing innocent children and bystanders with near impunity.

I never want to end up in the gutter. Gangs are terrorists, and should I say, trash. Note, Harbor Gateway borders South LA, divided between El Sugundo Street.

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by LuckyGem

I see you're happy with status-quo. You're saying let's keep everything as it is and let them kill each other. Just so you know, this kind of thing hasn't always been the "norm". Maybe since you have been reading the newspaper, but not when I was a kid growing up.

Simply because things have been one way in the past doesn't mean they have to stay the same forever. You're not in the mind of the gang members who have declared street warfare. You are not a psychic and cannot predict where the level of violence will go.

The family who's van was shot up yesterday, are the perfect example of a gang war on commuters. Commuters driving and being targetted because they were black while driving from point A to point B. Simple Commuters.

im saying that fearmongering is stupid.

theres always work to be done to improve, but people try to hard to attribute problems to something else(such as a mexican mafia/drug cartel having a large influence on race relations in los angeles? please). nothing we can say or do will change gang hatred of each other, instead you try and clean up the areas they reside in and legally prosecute things that you can. the rest of it is dependant on conditions we have no control over, like parenting, willingness to get a job or education, the economy, etc. arnold pushes the innercity olympics(and corresponding afterschool sports activities) and community college/vocational training programs in order to educate/occupy kids and young adults before they join gangs, as education is the key to this whole thing. you cant force people to help themselves though.

you called them terrorists and you are succumbing to what terrorism stands for, making you fear to live your life as you'd like to live it. instead of spreading fear, go help a neighbor, go setup a neighborhood watch, etc. those are things that truely help clean up neighborhoods, not telling people not to move here and telling people that crime will spread across the whole town. all that does is scare people and increase the clout of the gangs by spreading fear.

[marilyn220]

Originally Posted by LuckyGem

I'm watching this issue very closely over the next few weeks.

Summer is coming and Los Angeles is also known for freeway snipers. You never know what is going to come next when they decide they've had enough of being watched in the neighborhood.

Yes, that's another thing they keep under wraps here too.

Did you know that the majority of the people getting shot at were black? I mean if that isn't some of the sickest *ish I ever heard.

[marilyn220]

Originally Posted by LuckyGem

I see you're happy with status-quo. You're saying let's keep everything as it is and let them kill each other. Just so you know, this kind of thing hasn't always been the "norm". Maybe since you have been reading the newspaper, but not when I was a kid growing up.

Simply because things have been one way in the past doesn't mean they have to stay the same forever. You're not in the mind of the gang members who have declared street warfare. You are not a psychic and cannot predict where the level of violence will go.

The family who's van was shot up yesterday, are the perfect example of a gang war on commuters. Commuters driving and being targetted because they were black while driving from point A to point B. Simple Commuters.

I wouldn't care about gangmembers killing each other either IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY KILLING OTHER GANGMEMBERS! Instead they are targeting people that they KNOW won't fight back or have automatic weapons in their car.