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Old 08-05-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Another thing in regards to metro rail. It's only been more recently that a bigger part of the voting public has supported it.
The reason: Traffic has become more horrendous over the years. Any native or person that lived her many years will tell you the traffic in the 90s was nothing like it is now.

You had a lot of liberal Westsiders fighting the rail, while are now more likely to support it.

So things change you see.

 
Old 08-05-2017, 10:47 AM
 
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Another thing in regards to metro rail. It's only been more recently that a bigger part of the voting public has supported it.
The reason: Traffic has become more horrendous over the years. Any native or person that lived her many years will tell you the traffic in the 90s was nothing like it is now.

You had a lot of liberal Westsiders fighting the rail, while are now more likely to support it.

So things change you see.
All of those westsiders from Beverly Hills to Santa Monica certainly aren't and were not liberal. That is the biggest problem you have Jm. Your mind has been screwed by deep partisanship.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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Today's liberal politics and politicians are different than in the past. Example: If you look back at old President Bill Clinton speeches you'll hear him talking about cracking down on 'illegal aliens' , much different than Candidate Hillary Clinton or Obama.

Downtown was built up because of Villaraigosa and Hahn ? Which businesses did they start there? Which properties did they develop?..
I only know one former Mayor that owns businesses in downtown L.A , Richard Riordan.

So only liberal Mayors care about expanding rail transit?..

Riordan was fighting for a rail line all the way to Woodland Hills in the Valley
"The east-west Valley line would continue the Metro Rail line from downtown. The MTA is expected to decide next year between two rival proposals for a Valley route: a mostly subway line starting at the Metro Rail Red Line station in North Hollywood and ending in Woodland Hills, or an elevated line over the Ventura Freeway from Universal City to Woodland Hills."
Riordan Blocks Possible Snag to Valley Rail Line - latimes

I know Garcetti can sometimes talk a good came and he is a good bs'er , but rail was in L.A way before he became Mayor. He acts as if he invented it.
The improvements in the Metro system have much more to do with Villaraigosa than they have to do with Garcetti, even though they were finished under Garcetti. Tony V has the morals of an alley cat and was more interested in living a celebrity lifestyle than running a city, but the rail system was a real accomplishment for him of a sort that Garcetti lacks.

And as Jm1982 points out Riordan - and Hahn - were also working for rail. The Metro system opened under Riordan. Downtown gentrification finally came in, after a few failed attempts, at the very tail end of Riordan's mayoralty/beginning of Hahn's, because of the Metro system.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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All of those westsiders from Beverly Hills to Santa Monica certainly aren't and were not liberal. That is the biggest problem you have Jm. Your mind has been screwed by deep partisanship.
You are in denial if you don't think westside libs were fighting the metro rail in their neighborhoods. That's your prob.

Next we will hear that those protesting the Crenshaw/LAX line weren't liberals either..

I'm sure there are just tons of Republican voters living in the Crenshaw area..
 
Old 08-05-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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The whole story reeks of a man who failed at running for office and decided to use this schtick for a real estate career. He's basically capitalizing on people's prejudices. It's nothing more than a relocation service. He's not giving out grants for low-income conservatives who can't afford to "flee."

I'm wondering if that will be the next step. It's gotten that bad with the partisan/political crap. People are that invested in their ideology. Look how they work it into every post on here they can.

Looking for recommendations on a dentist in Van Nuys? Well the liberal commies drove out the only good one!
Need info on a youth sports club in Thousand Oaks? Well the religious right wing bigots took it over!
Seriously, it gets old on here.

And that is exactly why this guy was smart to basically form a real estate referral program using a political schtick. Hate sells.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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You are in denial if you don't think westside libs were fighting the metro rail in their neighborhoods. That's your prob.

Next we will hear that those protesting the Crenshaw/LAX line weren't liberals either..

I'm sure there are just tons of Republican voters living in the Crenshaw area..
jm you just don't get it and you never will. I would explain to you how the west side is far from the super liberal area you think it is but I feel it will go in one ear and out the other. Your argument is based on inaccurate assumptions you believe to be true without question.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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The whole story reeks of a man who failed at running for office and decided to use this schtick for a real estate career. He's basically capitalizing on people's prejudices. It's nothing more than a relocation service. He's not giving out grants for low-income conservatives who can't afford to "flee."

I'm wondering if that will be the next step. It's gotten that bad with the partisan/political crap. People are that invested in their ideology. Look how they work it into every post on here they can.

Looking for recommendations on a dentist in Van Nuys? Well the liberal commies drove out the only good one!
Need info on a youth sports club in Thousand Oaks? Well the religious right wing bigots took it over!
Seriously, it gets old on here.

And that is exactly why this guy was smart to basically form a real estate referral program using a political schtick. Hate sells.
They don't realize how serious a mental problem this is. Everything in their world is Liberal and conservative. No gray area. No apolitical slant either. It has already effected some posters here.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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jm you just don't get it and you never will. I would explain to you how the west side is far from the super liberal area you think it is but I feel it will go in one ear and out the other. Your argument is based on inaccurate assumptions you believe to be true without question.
It is extremely liberal, while at the same time there are parts of the westside where discrimination laws are (or at least were until recently) not enforced and steering is still practiced. Mainly because those are areas where the big Dem money lives
 
Old 08-05-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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And as Jm1982 points out Riordan - and Hahn - were also working for rail. The Metro system opened under Riordan. Downtown gentrification finally came in, after a few failed attempts, at the very tail end of Riordan's mayoralty/beginning of Hahn's, because of the Metro system.
The Adaptive Reuse Ordinance (passed in 1999 when Riordan was Mayor) had more to do with the initial spark for the downtown residential renaissance than Metro. Though clearly the continued expansion of Metro has helped to reinforce and build on the trend.

I don't know but I would guess the ARO passed by a large margin....14 to 1 or something like that.
 
Old 08-05-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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It is extremely liberal, while at the same time there are parts of the westside where discrimination laws are (or at least were until recently) not enforced and steering is still practiced. Mainly because those are areas where the big Dem money lives
It really isn't. You mean to tell me that the area from Beverly Hills to Santa Monica is super liberal?

Yea OK sure.
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