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Old 01-17-2007, 07:31 PM
 
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No English=No USA Citizenship.

Problem solved.

If you can't pass an English III course, you can't become a citizen.

The ten year waiting list would be shortened. Asians, and South American's would be scrambling for the books. Lazy, and unambitious immigrants would be weeded out. New citizens would be here integrated with their speaking abilities. It's a win-win for USA.

(BTW, being anti-immigration does not warrant negative feedback. It is NOT "rude" to say that a lot illegal immigrants live in a neighborhood. So Sevdie and others, take note.)

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Old 01-17-2007, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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Many legal immigrants have been here for a long time and have no intention of becoming citizens. I have an aunt who's British, and she has been here on a green card since 1991. A friend from Bolivia has lived here on a green card since the mid 80s. We'd just have less citizens and more resident aliens.
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Old 01-17-2007, 09:12 PM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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Default This is already the case

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No English=No USA Citizenship.

Problem solved.
This is the case already. You have to show proficiency in English in order to become a U.S. citizen. But we're not talking about citizens or citizens-to-be. They're not the problem. We're talking about 20 million illegal aliens among us -- people that we know nothing about.

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Old 01-17-2007, 09:23 PM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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You and I are not too far apart on this issue. I just say that we should look at it more closely and be careful of wide-reaching accusations. Regarding this:

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By reading your 2nd paragraph, you suggest in practical terms, that the US subsidize Latin America's educational & social system. In effect, thats the end result of what your supporting, either pay for their citizen's education or as you suggest, don't and as a result, the dumbing down of our country to where language skills are not needed.
The problem is, many refuse to learn. There's all kinds of schools, online courses, books, etc. They simply choose to watch Univision and listen to Cucuy.
what country do you want to live in?
We may not like it, but that's how it is. The U.S. has become the defacto supporter of social welfare for citizens of Latin-American countries that can't (or won't) do those things for their own people. But it has become our problem and we must deal with it.

Language skills in CA are of the utmost importance! I won't deny that some refuse to learn English. That's probably very true. But I know for a FACT that it isn't EVERYONE. Some will learn, some won't. Let's deal with the ones who won't and be thankful for those that do. After all, those who do learn English are less of a problem, so let's let them off the hook in our lambasting.

And, yes, there are English-language call centers in Latin America, most notably Costa Rica. That country is an exception with the highest literacy rate in Central America. It has no military and thus affords more money on its people. As a result, Costa Ricans stay in Costa Rica. It even attracts a high number of American and European ex-pats -- who avail themselves of the social welfare system there. All over Costa Rica, even in rural villages, you hear people learning English.

But Costa Rica's good fortune is not the case in other Central-America countries and Mexico. Some of them are barely emerging from civil wars and all sorts of misery. As a rich neighbor to the north, it puts pressure on the U.S., and we have to deal with this reality -- for our own good!

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Old 01-18-2007, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Cailfornia
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Default american english

lets get this right now americans speak there own form of english! it is good to speak spanish,hebrew, french, whatever it helps us to mingle in with eachother. i have lived all over the world and it is better to try and broaden your horizions.
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Old 01-18-2007, 11:25 AM
 
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This is one of the great "urban legends" of history. Somehow, the New Jersey legislature's vote in the early years of the Republic on making German a co-official language along with English got transformed into a US
Congressional vote on making German "the" official language. It would have been ridiculous to adopt an official language that few Americans outside of Pennsylvania and New Jersey spoke - that would be like if the US congress right now decided to vote to make Chinese the official language of the US
Okay you got me. Sorry for spreading an urban legend.
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Old 01-18-2007, 03:32 PM
 
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Language unifies. It is great that people love to speak their mother tongue in the USA, but if they fail or refuse to learn English then this does not create unity amongst society. I speak other languages then English, but I learned English and would not have it any other way. It would be as if I moved to Mexico and refused to speak Spanish and made everyone speak English to me.
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:34 PM
 
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Default Americans do it also

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Language unifies. It is great that people love to speak their mother tongue in the USA, but if they fail or refuse to learn English then this does not create unity amongst society. I speak other languages then English, but I learned English and would not have it any other way. It would be as if I moved to Mexico and refused to speak Spanish and made everyone speak English to me.
It's commendable that you would learn Spanish if you moved to Mexico, as you should! I would, too!

But I've known Americans in Europe and Latin America who have moved there and REFUSE to learn the local tongue. "Why should I learn [Spanish]?" they ask. "Where ever I go someone nearby speaks English." So it's not just Mexicans. Americans do it too.
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:59 PM
 
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It's commendable that you would learn Spanish if you moved to Mexico, as you should! I would, too!

But I've known Americans in Europe and Latin America who have moved there and REFUSE to learn the local tongue. "Why should I learn [Spanish]?" they ask. "Where ever I go someone nearby speaks English." So it's not just Mexicans. Americans do it too.
They will be rightfully scorned by the locals. Perhaps this is where the term "Ugly Americans" comes from. I've noticed this myself personally while traveling/living abroad where some Americans can't comprehend why foreigners can't speak English.

But you're forgetting the major point of your post: Those Americans are traveling or more than likely, are legal residents.
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:39 PM
 
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But you're forgetting the major point of your post: Those Americans are traveling or more than likely, are legal residents.
I don't mean to be a bugger, but I didn't know this thread was about immigration. There are certainly enough threads about that on this board; there is a new one, a good one, looking for substantial answers on the political forum. I though the topic of this thread was language. If we turn it into immigration, the moderators are likely to shut it down.
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