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Old 04-05-2018, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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I'm not telling you that, for heaven's sake relax.
I am relaxed...I just want to help educate those who think there are no laws for setting up camps on public land.
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Of course you can arrest someone for trespass or camping when the property is posted...
No sign has to be posted for public land...ignorance of the law is not an excuse. This sign was posted for public land not private land. You are looking at the restoration of the wetlands that a nasty fitly homeless camp has set up home on.

No one has the right to set up camps on public land, including sleeping on sidewalks. If you are not aware of these laws and break them... ok you get a warning citation telling you that if you do it again you get fined and if you can't pay that fine you go to jail until you can work the fine off. What's so difficult about that? This is what the laws are in Houston and they work very well at keeping the homeless from behaving the way the homeless behave in LA and SF.
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There is a town in Northern California that is very aggressive in arresting homeless people for everything and anything they can, including 'camping in public'. It's a nice safe suburban city so the jail has plenty of room and the cops aren't doing anything else so they play herding the homeless all night long, but the funny part is that in spite of all the arrests they've made the homeless population has probably doubled or tripled in the past 5 years.
How most other cities do it is if you are arrested more than twice for the same offence...you get a jail sentence. If you can't pay your citation...you go to jail and work it off. Every time after your first jailing and you continue to do it...then you remain in jail for a year and keep building the time punishment each time you are caught disobeying the laws.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:23 PM
 
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Dear millennials, communism isn’t cool

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/11/1...ism-isnt-cool/

Good luck with your dream. Communism is a train wreck.
Communism has never been tried. What was tried was brutal dictatorships that were labeled as communism but really had nothing to do with communism.

Norwegain socialism is probably the closest thing the world has seen to true communism.

There is nothing in communist ideology that says go murder millions of people.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:27 PM
 
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I am relaxed...I just want to help educate those who think there are no laws for setting up camps on public land.
No sign has to be posted for public land...ignorance of the law is not an excuse. This sign was posted for public land not private land. You are looking at the restoration of the wetlands that a nasty fitly homeless camp has set up home on.

No one has the right to set up camps on public land, including sleeping on sidewalks. If you are not aware of these laws and break them... ok you get a warning citation telling you that if you do it again you get fined and if you can't pay that fine you go to jail until you can work the fine off. What's so difficult about that? This is what the laws are in Houston and they work very well at keeping the homeless from behaving the way the homeless behave in LA and SF.
How most other cities do it is if you are arrested more than twice for the same offence...you get a jail sentence. If you can't pay your citation...you go to jail and work it off. Every time after your first jailing and you continue to do it...then you remain in jail for a year and keep building the time punishment each time you are caught disobeying the laws.
Whats so difficult is that those laws are unconstitutional, all its going to take is a few homeless people that get tickets and a lawyer ready to go to the supreme court.

In fact I think district court decisions have already been made that sleeping is a human right and if it is public lands you have a right to sleep. If you set up a tent to do it so be it.

I like how you intellecutally dishonestly weave your way out of saying that you just want the homeless in death camps. Its how you feel why not just be true to yourself, the Nazi's were, they were not shy about it.

They refered to them as "useless eaters" and they went to death camps.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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Whats so difficult is that those laws are unconstitutional, all its going to take is a few homeless people that get tickets and a lawyer ready to go to the supreme court.
No they are not unconstitutional. If so then show your evidence vs. spouting your opinion.

It was already tried and failed in Houston. That's right a federal judge did not find it unconstitutional for the Houston police officers to enforce encampment laws.
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In fact I think district court decisions have already been made that sleeping is a human right and if it is public lands you have a right to sleep. If you set up a tent to do it so be it.
What you think and what the law states are two different things.
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I like how you intellecutally dishonestly weave your way out of saying that you just want the homeless in death camps. Its how you feel why not just be true to yourself, the Nazi's were, they were not shy about it.
It's rather disingenuous to ascribe your sick personal narrative to me. This is your sick personal narrative...not mine.
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They refered to them as "useless eaters" and they went to death camps.
Again why don't you keep your personal narrative out of this discussion. You sound deranged posting such personal narratives.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:51 PM
 
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No one has the right to set up camps on public land, including sleeping on sidewalks. If you are not aware of these laws and break them... ok you get a warning citation telling you that if you do it again you get fined and if you can't pay that fine you go to jail until you can work the fine off. What's so difficult about that? This is what the laws are in Houston and they work very well at keeping the homeless from behaving the way the homeless behave in LA and SF.
How most other cities do it is if you are arrested more than twice for the same offence...you get a jail sentence. If you can't pay your citation...you go to jail and work it off. Every time after your first jailing and you continue to do it...then you remain in jail for a year and keep building the time punishment each time you are caught disobeying the laws.
That is not going to happen in LA or SF, there aren't enough jail beds and in reality NO one spends a year in jail for loitering or sleeping on the sidewalk.

Houston's success in reducing the number of unsheltered homeless seems to have more to do with the fact that they proved adequate shelter space than it does with 'arresting them'

In fact, the Houston Coalition for the Homeless says Houston, the rest of Harris County, and Fort Bend County have seen a 60 percent drop in overall homelessness since 2011. "We used to make people who are experiencing homelessness travel a 42-square-mile footprint to try to get breakfast, lunch, shelter, health care, and what we've done has been able to really shrink that," she said.
Houston's growth making homeless problem more visible, but advocates say it's getting better | abc13.com

They are doing things that acknowledge that some homeless people will stay outside rather than stay in a traditional shelter so they are in the process of creating a secure lot for rough sleepers with 24 hour monitoring https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...r-12422965.php

It looks to me like they have a very realistic holistic approach to dealing with homelessness and it seems to be working, maybe LA and SF should go visit them to get some ideas.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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That is not going to happen in LA or SF, there aren't enough jail beds and in reality NO one spends a year in jail for loitering or sleeping on the sidewalk.

Houston's success in reducing the number of unsheltered homeless seems to have more to do with the fact that they proved adequate shelter space than it does with 'arresting them'

In fact, the Houston Coalition for the Homeless says Houston, the rest of Harris County, and Fort Bend County have seen a 60 percent drop in overall homelessness since 2011. "We used to make people who are experiencing homelessness travel a 42-square-mile footprint to try to get breakfast, lunch, shelter, health care, and what we've done has been able to really shrink that," she said.
Houston's growth making homeless problem more visible, but advocates say it's getting better | abc13.com

They are doing things that acknowledge that some homeless people will stay outside rather than stay in a traditional shelter so they are in the process of creating a secure lot for rough sleepers with 24 hour monitoring https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...r-12422965.php

It looks to me like they have a very realistic holistic approach to dealing with homelessness and it seems to be working, maybe LA and SF should go visit them to get some ideas.
Yes Houston does a lot right but they also don't allow the homeless to behave and do what the homeless are doing in CA. You will go to jail if you are setting up camps on public land. You are not allowed to sleep on the sidewalks or public benches during business work hours. You will be cited a huge fine for littering. Don't Mess with Texas is our anti-littering slogan and the fines are step if caught littering.

Just these basic things the city of Houston does makes a huge difference in how the homeless behave.

There is a lot more then just the homeless situation that CA can stand to learn from Houston.
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Yes Houston does a lot right but they also don't allow the homeless to behave and do what the homeless are doing in CA. You will go to jail if you are setting up camps on public land. You are not allowed to sleep on the sidewalks or public benches during business work hours. You will be cited a huge fine for littering. Don't Mess with Texas is our anti-littering slogan and the fines are step if caught littering.

Just these basic things the city of Houston does makes a huge difference in how the homeless behave.
Texas seem much better run . Like you said it’s about the tone you set .

Just enforcing laws would make a big difference here .

But the unfortunately the local politicians aren’t interested in that .
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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Texas seem much better run . Like you said it’s about the tone you set .

Just enforcing laws would make a big difference here .

But the unfortunately the local politicians aren’t interested in that .
Texas is hands down much better run.

I can't wait to get out of this state that's no doubt going to see harder times then what's it's seeing now.
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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LOL look at the pot calling the kettle black.
LOL I challenge you to show me where I said any of that. You really need to work on your reading skills.
No most folks in any other state in the US who commit a crime that they can't pay end up in jail and use time served to pay off their debt.

In addition to taking a History Lesson I also suggest you look into what paying your debts off via jail time entails. You have a lot to learn.
I know what I posted and it does not reflect remotely anything you think I said. You need to work on your reading skills.
No camouflage needed. However it appears that you need a reading instructor to help you with your reading.
Its called contempt of court and its used to create a form of debtors prison. Because these people have no means they will be back sleeping on the streets so these are very cruel laws.

The fines are based on laws that are human rights violations - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4111cbe5065f

You can dance around it how every you want but its vile. I dont need any reading comprehension classes, I know exactly what you are saying and I think its inhumane. Issue a fine for a law thats vile, to someone who you know cant pay it, because these people cant pay and have to sleep ... rinse and repeat, until pretty soon they are serving very serious jail time for a law that is inhumane, im not an idiot.
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:34 PM
 
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Yes Houston does a lot right but they also don't allow the homeless to behave and do what the homeless are doing in CA. You will go to jail if you are setting up camps on public land. You are not allowed to sleep on the sidewalks or public benches during business work hours. You will be cited a huge fine for littering. Don't Mess with Texas is our anti-littering slogan and the fines are step if caught littering.

Just these basic things the city of Houston does makes a huge difference in how the homeless behave.

There is a lot more then just the homeless situation that CA can stand to learn from Houston.
Are you sure that no one sleeps on the street or loiters in Houston?

http://peoplestribune.org/pt-news/wp...04_houston.jpg

https://www.click2houston.com/news/m...meless-problem

Homeless, destitute people are not usually too worried about steep fines, heck they usually don't have enough money to buy food, so a mess of citations is probably not a big concern. I understand what their laws are but trying to end people from sleeping on the streets is about as futile as herding cats
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