The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Sacramento, Newark: skateboarding, flood, windows)
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Put relentless pressure on any public "servants" to get facilities up and running and those in need off the street or out of any public areas
Call 911 when you see any illegal activity- law enforcement should explain why/if they don't respond
If you see something, say something
Loudly !
Vote out liberal incumbents - vote in conservatives that are motivated to get this fixed
California has a weird form of liberalism where people want to be seen as so progressive (Pro LGBT marriage) but could careless if those same LGBT people are rotting on the street. These same liberals will often live in single family houses in isolated mountain top areas not accessible by BUS. And because they can just drive to where they go, they aren't forced to deal with the full horror of this.
Los Angeles is going to have to build more rentals/apartments in it's underutilized areas, and it's going to have to further expand transit. The Hollywood vision of everyone living in beautiful single family houses and driving a car these days is only affordable to rich people. Working class people who do all that work to make the city simply cannot buy a house and increasingly cannot afford a car.
If the conservatives will allow more apartment construction and rezone certain neighborhoods for high rise apartment development that would be a wonderful start. South of downtown there are severely underutilized industrial areas that could use apartments. Truthfully the one story retail along Santa Monica and Sunset Blvd should be replaced by apartments (I know traffic will get that, and at that point they'll need trains).
I think the true problem is Los Angeles was a victim of it's own success and Hollywood. So many people moved to LA that real estate costs went through the roof, and it killed off what was once sort of small town, and forced urbanization on Los Angeles. Ditto certain other California cities.
You already do have a lot of tall apartments springing up downtown, Hollywood, etc.
Stop so many people from moving to California. The film industry has portrayed LA for years as this paradise. Maybe Los Angeles residents in large numbers need to confront the film industry and to make them show the truth about what living in Los Angeles is really like, and to truly show the homelessness.
You may need to scare people, and even some businesses way. Because though I do think Los Angeles definitely needs more apartments and housing, if you build more and Hollywood portrays everything has fantastic, a new flood of people moving in might put things back to where they were before.
And when I say control the numbers of people coming, sadly California may need to control the numbers of Americans coming in (not just immigrants) though that technically cannot happen under current federal law).
Stop so many people from moving to California. The film industry has portrayed LA for years as this paradise. Maybe Los Angeles residents in large numbers need to confront the film industry and to make them show the truth about what living in Los Angeles is really like, and to truly show the homelessness.
You may need to scare people, and even some businesses way. Because though I do think Los Angeles definitely needs more apartments and housing, if you build more and Hollywood portrays everything has fantastic, a new flood of people moving in might put things back to where they were before.
And when I say control the numbers of people coming, sadly California may need to control the numbers of Americans coming in (not just immigrants) though that technically cannot happen under current federal law).
That show sounds very boring. I wouldn't watch it.
And to many some of the cities in LA county like Beverly Hills are a huge part of the problem. The Beverly Hills Police department does not let homeless hang in Beverly Hills. They dump them in LA. Beverly Hills isn't the only place that does this. All that does is dump a lot of homeless on LA, and LA can't dump them anywhere.
The cities in LA county (California really) need to coordinate serious viable solutions.
I don't think encampments on city streets should be permitted period. NYC has a homeless problem, but the NYPD would destroy any tents.
Obviously people need help, but they maybe less inclined to accept the help available if you TOLERATE camps!
Homeless people with serious mental issues (not the majority but a significant minority) need help from mental health services, and that includes those with addiction issues. Afterwards they will need some sort of viable housing plan and when they are stable enough some kind of job training to join the workforce.
Keep in mind the longer people become homeless the crazier they get due to the stress of living that way.
The funniest homeless story I remember was a homeless lady in NYC living on the streets in filth(including her own body waste) and covered in lice. The police arrested her and forcibly bathed and deloused her. She got mad and sued the city. Her family came out and called her out and said this was really stupid she should be happy someone would help her. She ended up losing the lawsuit I believe. This was many years ago.
Stop so many people from moving to California. The film industry has portrayed LA for years as this paradise. Maybe Los Angeles residents in large numbers need to confront the film industry and to make them show the truth about what living in Los Angeles is really like, and to truly show the homelessness.
You may need to scare people, and even some businesses way. Because though I do think Los Angeles definitely needs more apartments and housing, if you build more and Hollywood portrays everything has fantastic, a new flood of people moving in might put things back to where they were before.
And when I say control the numbers of people coming, sadly California may need to control the numbers of Americans coming in (not just immigrants) though that technically cannot happen under current federal law).
Yeah the thing is right now normal sane practical people won’t move here if they don’t have a means to support themselves . It’s actually been difficult for companies to recruit for relatively decent paying jobs because people do the math on housing and often see they can’t afford to live in a decent area .
It seems that these homeless coming from out of state wouldn’t be considered California residents according to below , so why is our state required to building housing at $400,000 a unit for them and deal with their crime etc ?
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Am I a California Resident?
You are considered a California resident if you are present in this state on more than a temporary or transient basis for 6 months or more in a 12-month period (CVC §516) and/or California is the state where:
You are registered to vote.
You are gainfully employed. Military personnel are not considered gainfully employed in California, even if they also hold a civilian job.
Your place of business is located.
Resident tuition is paid at a public institution of higher education.
Dependents attend a primary or secondary school.
Homeowner's property tax exemption is declared.
Property is leased for use as a residence.
Residence is declared to obtain a license, privilege, or benefit not ordinarily extended to a nonresident.
Your current driver license was issued.
You are determined to be a resident as evidenced by acts, occurrences, or events that indicate presence in the state is more than temporary or transient.
Ballard , in the Seattle area has seen a quadrupling of homeless in 1 year
People are getting fed up with liberal policies .. we are seeing the same thing in SF too , and L.A too .
Slow or lax police response there .. same as L.A
Apathetic attitude from the local politicians
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Ballard’s homelessness quadrupled last year, and anger is spilling over
“The rise is testing the traditionally liberal politics of Ballard, and the loudest voices are now talking about crime. Fear of crime in south Ballard is higher than the average in Seattle, according to a recent city survey. Property crime rose 11 percent last year, and the number of dispatched calls to 9-1-1 are up in the neighborhood”
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Residents complain about a slow or lax police response, and they feel the city isn’t listening to them. Facebook pages and Ballard’s Nextdoor site are flooded with photos and footage of homeless people in an effort to make noise.”
Broken-windows policing is the solution, along with more aggressive enforcement of public nuisance laws and treatment for the mentally ill. This of course will cause seizures with apologists for the purposefully lazy and for the drug abusers. Los Angeles, where defecating on the street or shooting up heroin is tolerated, but using plastic bags is illegal and prosecutable with $1k, $2k, and $5k fines.
You said it simple and plain USDefault! ......Free wildly expensive hovels for crime and drug use is the left wing goal it seems, but, its NOT an option.
Am I a California Resident?
You are considered a California resident if you are present in this state on more than a temporary or transient basis for 6 months or more in a 12-month period (CVC §516) and/or California is the state where:
You are registered to vote.
You are gainfully employed. Military personnel are not considered gainfully employed in California, even if they also hold a civilian job.
Your place of business is located.
Resident tuition is paid at a public institution of higher education.
Dependents attend a primary or secondary school.
Homeowner's property tax exemption is declared.
Property is leased for use as a residence.
Residence is declared to obtain a license, privilege, or benefit not ordinarily extended to a nonresident.
Your current driver license was issued.
You are determined to be a resident as evidenced by acts, occurrences, or events that indicate presence in the state is more than temporary or transient.
I'm not sure how to break the bad news, but there is no law determining when you are a California resident, what you posted are the rules the determine when you need to pay fees in California on an out of state vehicle. The law regarding when you are a California resident was decided in 1999, and you are entitled to all the rights and benefits offered in the state on day one:
In 1999 SCOTUS ruled on a case brought by a family who was denied full welfare benefits until they had resided in California for one year. Here is the outcome of that case (Saenz V Roe)
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In a 7-to-2 decision, the Court held that the Fourteenth Amendment protects the right to travel in three ways by: allowing citizens to move freely between states, securing the right to be treated equally in all states when visiting, and securing the rights of new citizens to be treated like long-time citizens of a state. The Court explained that by paying first-year residents the same TNF benefits they received in their state of origin, states treated new residents differently than others who have lived in their borders for over one year. As such, enforcement of the PRWORA power unconstitutionally discriminated among residents. https://www.oyez.org/cases/1998/98-97
Broken-windows policing is the solution, along with more aggressive enforcement of public nuisance laws and treatment for the mentally ill. This of course will cause seizures with apologists for the purposefully lazy and for the drug abusers. Los Angeles, where defecating on the street or shooting up heroin is tolerated, but using plastic bags is illegal and prosecutable with $1k, $2k, and $5k fines.
Broken windows is a largely abandoned theory of policing that accomplished nothing except increasing jail populations to the breaking point. Under Giuliani's "broken windows" era homelessness increased by 7,000
LAPD arrests thousands of homeless people for the very acts you described but the jail is full and has been for over 20 years so those people are given a notice to appear in court and since they have nothing to lose, they never show up. And let's be honest with ourselves, how bad do you think a homeless person feels about spending a few days or a week in jail? They are fed, they have a place to sleep and they get medical care if they need it.
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