Metro will recommend moving forward with congestion pricing, says CEO (Los Angeles: credit card, employment)

[ketch89]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Yeah, you don't like cars...we get it. I'm not giving up mine, though. Why don't you chill and have a slice of pie...

Not everything is a personal attack! The world does not revolve around YOU. The debate is about TRANSPORTATION - not whether or not one person will ride light rail. No one cares what one person will do. That's the problem with conservatives, they think everything is about the "rugged individual." News flash: most problems are about large groups or percentages of the population, including this one.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by ketch89

Not everything is a personal attack! The world does not revolve around YOU. The debate is about TRANSPORTATION - not whether or not one person will ride light rail. No one cares what one person will do. That's the problem with conservatives, they think everything is about the "rugged individual." News flash: most problems are about large groups or percentages of the population, including this one.

Strawman much?

[Vic Romano]

Originally Posted by ketch89

I'm tired of being forced to drive everywhere because transit is terrible. I'm tired of people driving too fast and killing people. I'm tired of disgusting dirty air. The status quo is not okay. Conservatives love to write off arguments by calling people names (so childish!)...

You seem unhappy. You're living in the wrong country. You should consider Greenland.

[ketch89]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

No, what's elitist is telling us what to do here. People like you want to take away everybody's car and cram residents into shoebox apartments. That's not what we're about here.

^ The most ridiculous strawman argument of all ^

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by Vic Romano

You seem unhappy. You're living in the wrong country. You should consider Greenland.

The USA is a big country. If you want suburban sprawl by all means move to Phoenix.

Between roughly 1900 and 1960 LA an extensive inter-urban rail system. At its peak it was over 1,000 miles. The automobile isn't going to be banned. But building back more rail capacity and other forms of transit makes a lot of sense. So does some form of congestion pricing...granted this should be rolled out carefully/experimentally.

Some posters on this board want to act like they speak for the entire city or region. They don't. And they are clueless about LA's past.

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Like most of the ideas the bureaucrats here come up with , it’s a bad one .

It wasn't a bureaucrat who came up the idea. It was the Nobel winning economist William Vickrey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Vickrey

And as I stated previously in the thread: the Trump administration endorsed congestion pricing in its 2017 infrastructure plan.

https://www.economist.com/gulliver/2...0ca4f3fbc1d354

[Vic Romano]

Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks

...And they are clueless about LA's past.

You referring to me?

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by Vic Romano

You referring to me?

No Vic. That last comment was not aimed at you.

[citizensadvocate]

I’d be curious how would they collect the fee?
Is it going to be pay by plate, just like with toll roads and bridges around the state?
I can see the biggest issue would be all these rental cars running around or borrowed cars running around. Rental car customers have often been gauged by rental companies with extra fees for processing electronic tolls especially when the toll authority messes up and falsely accuses you of not paying. Yes sometimes even if we bring a transponder with working battery that beeps everytime passing a toll point this can happen.
I know that there is no way that manned toll booths would be used to collect this charge. Just impossible. Especially given that most toll roads and bridges no longer have personnel collecting cash.

I do wish Los Angeles overhauls its road and rail transit options as well as its development policies to alleviate congestion though. Ie having parking per block standards instead of parking per property(to reduce congestion due to circling for parking), build a heavy rail metro down Wilshire and down I10 corridor in San Gabriel Valley, and having bypass viaducts built underground if necessary to alleviate congestion due to the freeway revolt gaps.

[Vic Romano]

Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks

No Vic. That last comment was not aimed at you.

Whew!