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Old 03-26-2019, 05:30 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Further, if we opine that most people spend the bulk of their adult-life raising children, then the ideal place is, well, the place best-suited to child-rearing: good schools, low crime, clean air, plenty of space for soccer-fields and so forth. Move to the Midwest or the South.
That's a broad brush. Many of us were raised in southern California, and then raised out kids here. The public schools happened to be good, the air is actually a lot better than it was decades ago, there were plenty of open fields and parks to play in then, and later, plenty of baseball and soccer fields for our kids to play on. Crime did not happen to be an issue then or now in any of these southern California cities.

And I'd bet there are plenty of people here who feel the same. They must not post on C-D, though.
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Old 03-26-2019, 05:44 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Metro home values:
Seattle $491K
Portland $397K
Los Angeles $652K

Is there an equivalent of South King County in LA that gets you a SFR for $420K? Still possible (Kent, Auburn, Federal Way, so on).

What about an equivalent in LA of NE/SE Portland, Gresham, or unincorporated Vancouver that gets you a SFR for $330K?

But yeah, both plenty expensive, but not quite LA IMO. I spent a month in Seattle this past fall and felt like I was lighting money on fire everywhere I went (food, gas, entertainment, etc).
Sperling disagrees with your source.
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I suspect your “metro” numbers include outlying communities while Sperling comps city/city. My comment was based on city/city. Seattle is also rising faster than LA so give it a minute for the outlying communities to catch the whiplash.

Freaking out of control. “Lighting money on fire” is perfect description. Portland has decided to bungee Seattle now. Watch out.

I no longer even drive through either of those cluster forks. Too bad. I usta love ‘em. Now my handful of friends have bugged out to various country settings to escape the traffic and congestion and infernal construction.

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Old 03-26-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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That's a broad brush. Many of us were raised in southern California, and then raised out kids here. The public schools happened to be good, the air is actually a lot better than it was decades ago, there were plenty of open fields and parks to play in then, and later, plenty of baseball and soccer fields for our kids to play on. Crime did not happen to be an issue then or now in any of these southern California cities.

And I'd bet there are plenty of people here who feel the same. They must not post on C-D, though.
You're probably right. I am intentionally exaggerating the thesis, to make a rhetorical point. And that point is, that the more "specialized" one's lifestyle, the more it's worthwhile to live in "specialized" circumstances. No city and no country is magic. There is no paradise on Earth. LA is not a paradise. California is not a paradise. America is not a paradise. There are advantages and disadvantages to living in Los Angeles. Those advantages are going to be stronger for people who are "specialized" in a certain way. To the earlier poster's point, for those whose lives revolve around Netflix, where they live is actually of secondary importance, as long as they have a cheap phone-plan and good internet service. But if you are, say, a screen-writer for Netflix, then living in Los Angeles isn't some nugatory luxury or indulgence; it's fundamental to your livelihood.
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Old 03-26-2019, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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Sperling disagrees with your source.
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I suspect your “metro” numbers include outlying communities while Sperling comps city/city. My comment was based on city/city. Seattle is also rising faster than LA so give it a minute for the outlying communities to catch the whiplash.

Freaking out of control. “Lighting money on fire” is perfect description. Portland has decided to bungee Seattle now. Watch out.

I no longer even drive through either of those cluster forks. Too bad. I usta love ‘em. Now my handful of friends have bugged out to various country settings to escape the traffic and congestion and infernal construction.
Yeah, metro numbers. For Seattle, I'm sure that's just King County; for Portland likely Multnomah/Clark/Clackamas/Washington, and for LA it is LA/Orange. We're not supposed to talk about Bert here.

I've never much liked Portland myself. Seattle lost all of its redeeming qualities with all the growth, that place sucks now IMO. I still like LA, but not the grind.
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Old 03-26-2019, 06:04 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Yeah, metro numbers. For Seattle, I'm sure that's just King County; for Portland likely Multnomah/Clark/Clackamas/Washington, and for LA it is LA/Orange. We're not supposed to talk about Bert here.

I've never much liked Portland myself. Seattle lost all of its redeeming qualities with all the growth, that place sucks now IMO. I still like LA, but not the grind.
King County is huge though pretty affluent mostly. The lower cost suburbs are in Pierce and Snohomish Counties. But they’re included in the “metro” stats I’ll bet.
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Old 03-26-2019, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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If you're the "typical" Scotch-Irish Protestant blue-collar family trying to raise kids, who wants a decently-sized house and a tractable commute and so forth, and your life revolves around band-practice and soccer-tournaments and backyard barbecues and Netflix, then LA - and California itself - is probably not the ideal first choice.


Where do you get off making these assumptions?

Plenty of that demographic lives all around California! From the suburbs of San Diego, to the Inland Empire, to Simi Valley, to the Central Valley and Sacramento and the Gold Country region of the Sierras.
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Old 03-26-2019, 06:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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I think a lot of it really depends on when someone bought their home .. or if they have some kind of amazing rent control rent .

Even if someone bought their home say in 2012 , they might have bought for half of the current market value .
Bingo, we bought ours in 2010 and life is great. And we are making less than 200K.
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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Texas, Utah, Nebraska etc. Except for the cost prices are pretty reasonable.
I almost feel I'm being trolled with these responses. Nebraska is just awful living for someone used to living in a mid-size to major city living. Awful weather, bible belt type towns all over the state. Utah ain't much better. Moving from California to these places is a drastic lifestyle change. And again, for many of us, a huge paycut to move to those 2 states.

And you can't just say TEXAS, thats a huge state. Big difference living in Dallas as opposed to a small border town near El Paso

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Lancaster is not that bad. It's no different than living in Eastvale or Riverside. If you can find work in aerospace or any of the medical fields, then you don't worry about a commute. A lot of people work at NASA / Edwards AFB, at Plant 42, at the Space Port in Mojave or at the FAA building in Palmdale.
Lancaster ain't that bad..........you can't be serious. For one, property hardly appreciates at all. 2) You're so far out of reach from the rest of the county that beyond Santa Clarita, your work commute will be hell.

You named 2 work fields, and most of us don't know a single soul who works in Aerospace.
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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Phoenix & Tucson
NW Arkansas
Central Valley CA (Bakersfield through Sacramento)
Front Range Colorado
Boise & Coeur d'Alene
Las Vegas & Reno
Albuquerque & Las Cruces
Portland and the rest of I-5 Oregon; Bend
Nashville
Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin
Salt Lake City
Seattle

The vast majority of these (if not all of them) are substantially cheaper than urban SoCal.

I myself moved to Denver from CA in 2007. Back then, the median home price Denver metro-wide was less than $200K, and the bad neighborhoods and some lower-middle class areas could have been had for $100K-$150K (Colorado Springs' average was right around those lower numbers at the time).

Now, Denver's median is $407K. What can you get in LA for that? Looks like a lot of Antelope Valley (nice homes) and South LA (and not even nice homes there). Denver has all four major sports, world-class winter and outdoor activities, concerts, museums, events, and so on. So it doesn't have Hollywood or a beach, but I can get to LA for $99ish most of the time; and our airport has direct flights to nearly anywhere you'd want to go.

I purchased my home (4/3/2600) in a good/established area 5 years ago for $262K. It's worth about $430K now. I'm 15 minutes from downtown Denver (and all it offers), about 20 minutes to the foothills, and I have a mountain view, which is a big deal around here. Shopping is 5 minutes away. Traffic metro-wide is nothing compared to SoCal, ABSOLUTELY nothing. And we have a train system that connects most of the metro that is about 70% done. And for those who enjoy Antelope Valley style commutes and homes, we have those types of communities spread all over Northern Colorado.

Yeah it snows, yeah it gets cold. But you learn to deal with it (or even enjoy it), and it's also nice a ton of the time (71F and sunny today). We don't have smog (at least not at the same level SoCal does), we don't have graffiti and trash everywhere, and nice neighborhoods are attained at a much lower threshold. There are some cultural things to get used to (angry natives, a lot less type-A/driven, not as diverse/cosmopolitan), but nothing most of us can't handle. .
So much here to go over
1)You can't just dismiss the cold. I grew up in NYC winters. Not worth it again for a free house. It just makes for some miserable days, dangeroous driving, and awful long morning loading up on extra clothes that I don't even own anymore in Los Angeles like thermal underwear.

2)Lets be honest, some of those places like New Mexico or Reno have nothing at all going on except maybe a casino and not much else, and that can get old real quick. I'll give you Vegas, but outside of the casino Reno is trash.

3)Dallas and Houston, especially the nicer parts are NOT that much cheaper.

4)Salt Lake is in UTAH----completely different way of life
5)Seattle---also not cheap, and constand bad weather


And if all of thes eplaces were so great because they are inexpensive, why is there no MASS migration to these locales to the point where they have population issues? WHy...because at the end of the day, many people realize there's more to life than just a cheap house
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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Lancaster ain't that bad..........you can't be serious. For one, property hardly appreciates at all. 2) You're so far out of reach from the rest of the county that beyond Santa Clarita, your work commute will be hell.

You named 2 work fields, and most of us don't know a single soul who works in Aerospace.
Most of who? ...Are you speaking for everyone from California who posts here? Through a family member, I know probably 10 or 11 people who work in aerospace. Six in Palmdale, 3 in Tehachapi and 2 in Rosamond.

What does your "friend" in his $300k, 6-bedroom house do for work?

Does he know you have that much disdain for him because he lives in Lancaster?

I see you're from NY.

Sixth generation Californio here on my dad's side.
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