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Old 03-26-2019, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I guess to sum up .

There are things that suck about L.A and it is relatively expensive . But other places that are cheaper can suck a lot more . So those that can stay in L.A usually do .

Many from other places around the country and world �� move to L.A when they have the money to do so or sometimes even if they don’t ( willing to live in cars /streets etc ) because the places they are moving from suck .
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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Most of who? ...Are you speaking for everyone from California who posts here? Through a family member, I know probably 10 or 11 people who work in aerospace. Six in Palmdale, 3 in Tehachapi and 2 in Rosamond.

What does your "friend" in his $300k, 6-bedroom house do for work?

Does he know you have that much disdain for him because he lives in Lancaster?

I see you're from NY.

Sixth generation Californio here on my dad's side
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He knows that I think him having a big house in Lancaster is nothing special.

What does you being a sixth generation Californio have to do with anything here?
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Old 03-26-2019, 10:24 PM
Status: "No Longer Stuck in Traffic" (set 14 days ago)
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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With all the talk and debate of people leaving L.A., can we define exactly what demographics are leaving, and why? Is it income based, job based, stress based?

I'll start. My monthly LinkedIn report says it tends to be the $40k/yr to $80k/yr crowds that are seeking out more bang for their buck. Below $40k there is a chance of qualifying for social services. Above $80k and supposedly your fine (I beg to differ).

What say you?
My salary 150k

My reasons: general traffic, unaffordable housing (ugly bungalow shacks costing 500k+ I do not want to suffer to afford), my 1 hour (1 hour plus on Thursday or Friday evening westside commute) 8 mile drive to work one way, taxes, politics (i'm republican) ---

for those reasons I'm an expat after 30 years in SoCal left in July 2018 moved to the DC/Virginia/Maryland area.

my money goes so much further, my commute each way is 20 minutes for 9 miles each way, only complaint is the weather (oh well, no earthquakes and when they say storm watch on the news I BELIEVE IT!)
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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He knows that I think him having a big house in Lancaster is nothing special.

What does you being a sixth generation Californio have to do with anything here?
Well, for one thing, we're not as obsessed and condescending with "location" as a lot of you transplants seem to be. It's a bit tacky and classist, and -- quite frankly -- rude!

Most of us have family all up and down the state and in all places.

There's not this need to talk trash about other zip codes and locations within California with a tone of superiority. That's an East Coast/Transplant mindset that you bring with you.

In total, I have about 19 or so family members living in the Antelope Valley area, and it works for them! They like it.

The San Fernando Valley works fine for me, for now.

I have cousins in San Diego County, Northern California and the Inland Empire, and they love where they live as well. We don't get together at family reunions and bash the crap out of each other over something like a zip code.

There are more important things in life, and the whole state of California is beautiful no matter where you are.
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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Well, for one thing, we're not as obsessed and condescending with "location" as a lot of you transplants seem to be. It's a bit tacky and classist, and -- quite frankly -- rude!

There's not this need to talk trash about other zip codes and locations within California with a tone of superiority. That's an East Coast/Transplant mindset that you bring with you.


The San Fernando Valley works fine for me, for now.

I have cousins in San Diego County, Northern California and the Inland Empire, and they love where they live as well. We don't get together at family reunions and bash the crap out of each other over something like a zip code.
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You're zip code gets bashed when you speak about it as if buy property there is some huge accomplishment and truth is most people if they had a choice wouldn't want to live there. He could just be quiet about it.
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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I guess to sum up .

There are things that suck about L.A and it is relatively expensive . But other places that are cheaper can suck a lot more . So those that can stay in L.A usually do .

Many from other places around the country and world �� move to L.A when they have the money to do so or sometimes even if they donít ( willing to live in cars /streets etc ) because the places they are moving from suck .
Yup, thats is. If these places that were so much cheaper were so spectacular, LA would have 5 million people and not 10 (that we know about)
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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You're zip code gets bashed when you speak about it as if buy property there is some huge accomplishment and truth is most people if they had a choice wouldn't want to live there. He could just be quiet about it.

If most people had a "choice", they'd live anywhere other than where they live. That's true of everyone!

My racist cousins in Phoenix wish they could all live in San Diego, ironically. My cousin in Spokane, WA wishes he could live in Hawaii. My aunt in Spokane hated it and moved to Sacramento. My neice in San Diego is obsessed with the idea of living in SF. My cousin in Pleasanton, CA wishes he could live in SF's Marina District. My cousins in Fresno wish they lived on the Central Coast. A friend on the Central Coast wants to live in Las Vegas, eventually. On hot summer days, I wish I lived in Venice Beach.

Having property anywhere in California is an accomplishment, let alone Los Angeles County. And, for that, your friend deserves some accolades.

Money comes and money goes. Places rise and places fall, and then they rise again.

There is a lot more to life than obsessing over property, place and status.

Be simple, enjoy your life, enjoy your time with loved ones.

If a place like Lancaster allows your friend that ability, then why hate on him?
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Old 03-27-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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Bingo, we bought ours in 2010 and life is great. And we are making less than 200K.

Many people do not make under 200k. Many make under 100k. So you are not typical which explains reason why you like California life.
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Old 03-27-2019, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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So much here to go over
1)You can't just dismiss the cold. I grew up in NYC winters. Not worth it again for a free house. It just makes for some miserable days, dangeroous driving, and awful long morning loading up on extra clothes that I don't even own anymore in Los Angeles like thermal underwear.

2)Lets be honest, some of those places like New Mexico or Reno have nothing at all going on except maybe a casino and not much else, and that can get old real quick. I'll give you Vegas, but outside of the casino Reno is trash.

3)Dallas and Houston, especially the nicer parts are NOT that much cheaper.

4)Salt Lake is in UTAH----completely different way of life
5)Seattle---also not cheap, and constand bad weather


And if all of thes eplaces were so great because they are inexpensive, why is there no MASS migration to these locales to the point where they have population issues? WHy...because at the end of the day, many people realize there's more to life than just a cheap house
People aren't moving to these places just to have a cheap house. Many of these places are expensive in their own right(s). If people were moving only for a cheap house, there are loads of the Midwest and South that I'd like to sell to them. The other thing people realize is that there's more to life than excellent weather and the maximum available of things to do.

Most (if not all) of the places I listed have seen double digit percentages of population growth since 2010. And several of them do have population issues, either by compounding traffic issues, not enough housing, increased costs of living, and so on. Some of them don't have these problems because they are not hemmed in by geography.

You asked where people were moving, and every place I listed is cheaper than LA. Doesn't mean "cheap" necessarily, but cheaper than LA. Most people realize that when you go for a cheaper option that you will pay for it in another way, whether it be in rain/clouds, heat/humidity, cold/snow, an overbearing political and/or religious climate, flat topography, or some combination. And for many people, that trade off is worth it. You are also discounting the fact that some people simply don't like living in Los Angeles for MULTITUDES of reasons.

If you want it all, you get to pay for it.

I myself am considering moving to LA at some point 10-15 years from now, and even though I still may not, let's just say it's not off the table.
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Old 03-27-2019, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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People aren't moving to these places just to have a cheap house. Many of these places are expensive in their own right(s). If people were moving only for a cheap house, there are loads of the Midwest and South that I'd like to sell to them. The other thing people realize is that there's more to life than excellent weather and the maximum available of things to do.

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I understand that, but the tone on alot of these threads is "its too expensive to buy property here and rents keep going up". And those statements honestly are neccessarily true. Some folks just dont really get out and LOOK, or want to pay 1880's prices forever.
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