Middle Class Flight (Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Arnold: low income, violent crime, bankruptcy)

[Roma]

I have a question. What is considered "middle class" money wise these days? What is considered "upper class"? Is there a chart that breaks it down? Thanks!

[aween]

Just thought I might interject with something I know to be true. 8-15 babies are born at Northridge Hospital a day. 80% are on Medi-cal.(welfare)or self pay..haha.. and 90% have Hispanic surnames.

[Amavel]

Originally Posted by aween

Just thought I might interject with something I know to be true. 8-15 babies are born at Northridge Hospital a day. 80% are on Medi-cal.(welfare)or self pay..haha.. and 90% have Hispanic surnames.

I'm not sure which is more shocking: the fact that so many Americans cannot afford adequate healthcare or your taking the opportunity to fuel stereotypes at their sake.

[aween]

And we are supposed to ignore this obvious problem?

[Amavel]

The solution is not to further the ever-popular stereotype that all Hispanics are illegals, lower-class, and have no regard for the (insert institution) system.

Perhaps if you had taken the time to include a link with specific data concerning the makeup of the patients at the hospital beyond the irrelevant coincidence of the ethnic makeup of their surnames , there would be no need to have this discussion now.

[aween]

Originally Posted by Amavel

The solution is not to further the ever-popular stereotype that all Hispanics are illegals, lower-class, and have no regard for the (insert institution) system.

Perhaps if you had taken the time to include a link with specific data concerning the makeup of the patients at the hospital beyond the irrelevant coincidence of the ethnic makeup of their surnames , there would be no need to have this discussion now.

I AM the link. I work there. And we wonder when our hospital will close down like our sister hospital did because of this HISPANIC problem.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by aween

I AM the link. I work there. And we wonder when our hospital will close down like our sister hospital did because of this HISPANIC problem.

If Arnold's proposal for universal health insurance goes through, there will be no hospitals closing down.

Let's face it, the US health care system, as it is, is inefficient and unsustainable. If Schwarzenegger manages to pull off universal health care in California, and particularly if it leads to the US getting a National Health, we'll ALL be better off, regardless of our race or ethnicity.

[aween]

Universal health care will be a complete joke. Good idea in theory, but it will never work. I suggest you do some research. I will give you some examples..
Long long looooonnggg waiting time to see a doctor and the quality of medical care will be ...oh..how shall I say this tactfully..wait..did I say "quality'?..I meant to say quanity.

I am sorry if I sounded mean rude or racist, but I am saddened about whats happening in the town that I have lived in for 4 decades. You can paint a pretty picture of the Valley,and hide your head in the sand, but what I am talking about is reality. And the SanFernando Valley is becoming a big fat,crowded,littered,smelly joke and thank god I inherited my house from my grandparents so it will not be long until I pack up and sell my 1200 sq foot home in Northridge for $675,000 free and clear!!
and say good bye and good luck. I am moving somewhere over the rainbow. I will miss my Calif weather...everything else will be an end to my nightmares...Get ready green grass and trees and land and quite and space...I will be there soon!!!!!!!
Even Denis Zine told me himself that he already has 10 acres in Idaho, so when he retires from this dirty toilet of a valley, he will never look back!!

[majoun]

Originally Posted by aween

Universal health care will be a complete joke. Good idea in theory, but it will never work. I suggest you do some research. I will give you some examples..
Long long looooonnggg waiting time to see a doctor and the quality of medical care will be ...oh..how shall I say this tactfully..wait..did I say "quality'?..I meant to say quanity.

I doubt you have any experience with any National Health systems in countries that do have them. (I have direct experience with the German and Italian public health care systems and both are far better than the PRIVATE health care system in the US except for the wealthy) I also doubt you have much knowledge of economics. The private sector is inefficient in delivering health services. One of the reasons that jobs are leaving is because companies do not want to be saddled with the burden of providing medical insurance. Alternately, if they don't provide insurance, companies run the risk of productivity being lowered due to workers' sickness. Universal health care would help to reverse middle class flight and middle class decline (which is not just an L.A. problem, but an AMERICAN problem)

In any case, what's the "quality" of health care like if hospitals keep closing down?

[aween]

Have you talked to anybody in Canada about this? THEY HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!
And dont dare for a second think that if we get universal health care,everything will be right in the world. Our hospitals will keep getting more and more crowded. It will not work in Los Angeles..plain and simple. We have tooooo many people!!!!!