Middle Class Flight (Los Angeles: estate, income, jobs)

[montevista1]

300,000 Californians left to places like AZ, NV, ID, TX.

These people are the middle class who even with an education can not afford to live here!!!

If this trend continues CA will be in many ways like a 3rd world country a small minority of wealthy and a huge underclass.

I realize that even with a good job I can not make it here so I am saving up to move out of here!

[Sassberto]

Originally Posted by montevista1

300,000 Californians left to places like AZ, NV, ID, TX.

But according to this article:

http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/22/real...ex.htm?cnn=yes

California *gained* 303,402 people?

[Ankhharu]

I've been to or lived in those states minus Idaho, but i'm going to go out on a limb and throw it in with the other 3 and say you can have them.

[montevista1]

the 300k gain is from illegal immigration and immigrants having children.

[Sassberto]

Originally Posted by montevista1

the 300k gain is from illegal immigration and immigrants having children.

Wow, you seem to know it all. Any source for this data?

[Robert123]

Just because what Montevista said is not politically correct does not make it untrue. Montevista, post some stats on that. I'd actually like to use them. Thanks.

[Sassberto]

Originally Posted by Robert123

Just because what Montevista said is not politically correct does not make it untrue. Montevista, post some stats on that. I'd actually like to use them. Thanks.

Burden of proof always lies with the person who makes the claim. I too would like to see those stats.

[fastfilm]

Yesterday's Los Angeles Daily News quoted a survey that noted California loses 97,000 citizens annually from their moving. Immigration births match this with an additional 12,000, hence a small population increase. This should be indicative proof of how unliveable this place really is. The Daily News also noted that legal immigrants are heavily amongst those who move from California, since they've also figured out that life, housing costs, and opportunities are better than California's elsewhere across the U.S.

Here's some verbatim quotes from an editorial from the same newspaper today, focusing on L.A.'s unsustainibility for middle classes in response to that survey:

Los Angeles is a way station for the poor, by design

"New population figures show that while Los Angeles attracts people from all corners of the world, it can't sustain its own population.

That's because for those of modest means, a decent quality of life is hard to find in the city's neighborhoods. ...they discover that housing is too costly for most homebuyers, public schools are terrible, the gangs are pervasive, the traffic is bad and... there aren't enough good jobs.

...While there are gripes in most large cities, and most of them tend to have a meager middle-class population, it's only getting worse in L.A. Here, public policy encourages poverty. City governement chases awat companies that can do business for lower costs elsewhere... long-standing policies concentrate the city's wealth into only a few areas such as downtown, and not equally into all neighborhoods...Only when the city can maintain a healthy mix of jobs, homes and people of all income levels, and offer a decent quality of life for all, will workers and families stay."

[TheRealAngelion]

Originally Posted by Robert123

Just because what Montevista said is not politically correct does not make it untrue. Montevista, post some stats on that. I'd actually like to use them. Thanks.

Montevista won't be posting any stats because no such stats supporting his assertion exists.

[socal06]

Originally Posted by montevista1

the 300k gain is from illegal immigration and immigrants having children.

Lets not forget all the undocumented illiegals who haven't been counted in any of the past censuses. I would say the actual gain would be around 450k.