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05-15-2008, 08:27 PM
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Please Read Prop 98
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I got the job because I was always working on cars and was a regular customer... at age 14, the owner offered me the job and a discount on any parts I bought  ... anyway, My 18 year old brother and I purchased a seriously dilapidated 2 bedroom cottage in East Oakland because I didn't like the idea of paying rent and having nothing to show for it at the end of the month.Back to the questions you raised... First, if rent control is abolished, No One will automatically see is a 30% - 40% increase in their rent... it can't happen because Prop 98 protection ONLY starts after a rent controlled unit is vacated. Second, as a group, Mom and Pop small owners make up the vast majority of rental property owners... Most owners own 4 units or less and many own 2 or less. Third... Renters are not "Third Class Citizens" in any manner... each citizen only as one vote... If Tenants are viewed differently at all it is because Tenants generally move 3 times as often as home owners and this freedom to move is the reason many choose to rent. Fourth... Prop 98 is a property rights initiative put on the California Ballot by voters in response to the Supreme Court's Kelo decision on "Takings" of private property for private use... Rent Control is "Taking" just as is Eminent Domain. You mention comparable non-rent controlled units cost much more in areas without Rent Control... this is EXACTLY the "Taking" Prop 98 addresses. Rent Control is fundamentally flawed as a means to help poor people because Rent Control applies to the rental without regard to a Tenants financial situation... It matters not if the person renting is wealthy or poor... HUD has numerous programs to help poor, elderly and disabled find housing and paid for by every tax payer... not just those that own Rental Property. Prop 98 protects and is endorsed by a wide coalition of property owners... Farms, Churches, Home Owners and Business. Property Ownership is open to anyone willing to "Buy In" and make the sacrifices necessary. Private Property... the Right to Private Property is one of the founding principals of our country... you don't need to come from Nobility to own land in the USA... only the desire and hard work. We may agree to disagree... but through these Forums, everyone has the opportunity to express their views. Last edited by Ultrarunner; 05-15-2008 at 09:10 PM. Reason: Many Typos 
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05-15-2008, 08:39 PM
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Shall we show a list of who is opposed to Prop 98, Ultrarunner?
Public Officials Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger Former Governor of California Pete Wilson Speaker of the House, U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer U.S. Representative George Radanovich (R-Mariposa) California State Treasurer Bill Lockyer Patricia Wiggins - California State Senator Lloyd Levine - California State Assembly Member Fran Pavley - Former California State Assemblymember Good Government League of Women Voters of California Water Association of California Water Agencies Metropolitan Water District of Southern California Friant Water Users Authority San Diego County Water Authority Castaic Lake Water Agency El Dorado Irrigation District Friends of Locally Owned Water (FLOW) Monterey Peninsula Water Management District Newhall County Water District Soquel Creek Water District South San Joaquin Irrigation District Turlock Irrigation District Vallecitos Irrigation District Vista Irrigation District Business California Chamber of Commerce California Building Industry Association California Black Chamber of Commerce Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce San Diego Regional Chamber of Commerce Fresno Chamber of Commerce Greater Riverside Chamber of Commerce Greater Stockton Chamber of Commerce Silicon Valley Leadership Group Valley Industry and Commerce Association (VICA) Consulting Engineers and Land Surveyors of California (CELSOC) California Mexican American Chamber of Commerce El Monte/South El Monte Chamber of Commerce San Gabriel Valley Legislative Coalition of Chambers South Bay Association of Chambers of Commerce Santa Fe Springs Chamber Alliance Fairfield-Suisun Chamber of Commerce Greater Lakewood Chamber of Commerce Hemet/San Jacinto Valley Chamber of Commerce Kern County Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Los Altos Chamber of Commerce Monterey Peninsula Chamber of Commerce Mountain View Chamber of Commerce Napa Chamber of Commerce Petaluma Chamber of Commerce Redondo Beach Chamber of Commerce Richmond Chamber of Commerce Salinas Chamber of Commerce San Marcos Chamber of Commerce Santa Clarita Valley Chamber of Commerce Santa Cruz Chamber of Commerce Santa Rosa Chamber of Commerce California Council for Environmental and Economic Balance (CCEEB) Senior AARP California Alliance for Retired Americans Older Women's League of California Gray Panthers California California Senior Advocates League Congress of California Seniors San Francisco Gray Panthers Senior Action Network Senior Council Infrastructure California Transportation Commission Transporatation Agency for Monterey County California Chapter of the American Society of Civil Engineers Consumer Consumer Federation of California Consumers Coalition of California Public Safety California Professional Firefighters California Police Chiefs Association California Fire Chiefs Association Peace Officers Research Association of California (PORAC) San Francisco Black Firefighters Inc. Agriculture Western Growers Association Nisei Farmers League Grower Shipper Association of Central California American Farmland Trust Education California Teachers Association California School Boards Association Association of California School Administrators United Teachers Los Angeles Santa Monica Community College District Renter Advocates/Housing Providers Housing California California Housing Consortium (CHC) California Coalition for Rural Housing California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation Coalition for Economic Survival Coalition to Protect California Renters Tenants Together Eviction Defense Collaborative California Council for Affordable Housing Mercy Housing California Affordable Housing Coalition of San Diego Coalition L.A. Coalition to Save Parkmerced Community Housing Partnership Concilio de Inquilinos: Local 1012 Council of Tenants- Los Angeles EAH Housing Eviction Defense Network First Community Housing Housing Justice Campaign Housing Leadership Council of San Mateo County Housing Rights Center Housing Rights Committee of San Francisco Housing Rights, Inc. Inquilinos Unidos Just Cause Oakland Lincoln Place Tenants Association Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority Los Angeles Rent Adjustment Commission Novato Housing Coalition Oakland Housing, Residential Rent and Relocation Board Oakland Tenants Union Parkmerced Residents' Organization Rural California Housing Corporation Sacramento Housing Alliance Sacramento Mutual Housing Association St. Peter's Housing Committee San Diego Housing Federation San Diego Renters Union San Francisco Council of Community Housing Organizations San Francisco Tenants Union Santa Monicans for Renters' Rights Southern California Association of Non-Profit Housing Tenant Associations Coalition of San Francisco Tenderloin Housing Clinic (THC) Venice Community Housing Corporation Homeowners League of California Homeowners Golden State Manufactured-Home Owners League, Inc. (GSMOL) California Mobile Homes Resource and Action Association Coalition of Mobile Home Owners- California Resident Owned Parks, Inc. (ROP) Alta Laguna Mobile Home Park Residents Committee American Canyon Manufactured Home Owners Coalition Butte County Mobile-Home Owners Association CMRAA/Cal Hawaiian Home Owners Association Contempo Marin Homeowners Association County Mobilehome Positive Action Committee EMPAC (Escondito Mobile/ Manufactured Home Positive Action Committee) GSMOL Chapter 1613 GSMOL Chapter 1539 GSMOL Chapter 1517 GSMOL Chapter 1279 GSMOL Chapter 1200 GSMOL Chapter 820 GSMOL Chapter 708 GSMOL Chapter 161 Hayward Mobilehome Owners Association Home Owners Acting Together H.A.T. Homeowners Association of Cameron Mobile Estates Los Rancheros Association, Inc. Mobile Home Owners Coalition Mobile Parks West Homeowners Association Mobilehome Residents Alliance of Nevada County Monarch Country Mobile Home Owners Association Mountain Springs Homeowners Association Neighborhood Friends New Frontier Homeowner Association Oceanside Manufactured Homes Association Palos Verdes Shores Homeowners Association Portola Heights Homeowners Association San Lorenzo Mobile Home Park Homeowners' Association San Marcos Mobilehome Residents Association San Rafael Mobile Home Estates Homeowners Association Santa Ana Mobile Home Owners Association Sonoma County Mobilehome Owners Association Sonoma No Condo Conversion Coalition Environmental National Wildlife Federation Audubon California California League of Conservation Voters Natural Resources Defense Council Sierra Club California California Coastal Commission Trust for Public Land California Council of Land Trusts California Park and Recreation Society Wild Heritage Planners Defenders of Wildlife Environmental Defense Center for Biological Diversity Planning and Conservation League Endangered Habitats League LandWatch Monterey County Save the Bay California Oak Foundation Greenbelt Alliance Healthy Homes Collaborative Mariposans for the Environment and Responsible Government The Nature Conservancy Pacific Forest Trust Peninsula Open Space Trust San Joaquin River Parkway and Conservation Trust, Inc. Sonoma County Conservation Action Faith Lutheran Office of Public Policy-California California Church Impact LA Voice - Pico Marin Interfaith Worker Justice St. Anthony Foundation Unitarian Universalist Legislative Ministry Action Network, CA California Interfaith Power and Light Public Interest/Community California ACORN Western Center on Law and Poverty California Partnership California Alliance Strategic Actions for a Just Economy National Lawyers Guild Center on Race, Poverty & the Environment Accountable Development Coailtion American Civil Liberties Union, Northern California American Civil Liberties Union, Southern California Progressive Jewish Alliance Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) Southern California Chapter National Lawyers Guild- Los Angeles Friends Committee on Legislation of California Accountable Development Coalition ArtsCorpsLA Asian Law Caucus Bay Area Immigrant Rights Coalition Bernal Heights Neighborhood Center California Association of Human Relations Organizations Californians for Justice California Immigrant Policy Center Centro Legal De La Raza Charles Houston Bar Association Chinese for Affirmative Action Community Advocacy Center Community United Against Violence Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund East Bay Aliance for a Sustainable Economy Equal Justice Society Ella Baker Center for Human Rights Greenlining Institute Human Care Alliance Impact Fund Inner City Law Center La Raza Centro Legal Law Center for Families Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights of the San Francisco Bay Area Legal Services for Prisoners with Children Los Angeles Coalition to End Hunger and Homelessness Los Angeles Community Action Network Los Angeles Community Legal Center and Educational Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority Los Angeles Metropolitan Alliance Mexican American Bar Association Miracle Mile Action Committee National Center for Lesbian Rights National Center for Youth Law National Latina/o Law Student Association Oakland ACORN One Stop Immigration Counselor Online Policy Group Our City People's CORE People Organized for Westside Renewal (POWER) Pride at Work San Francisco Public Advocates P.U.E.B.L.O. Rainbow - PUSH Public Counsel San Francisco Human Rights Commision San Francisco Planning and Urban Research Association (SPUR) Union de Vecinos Valley Women's Club Tax San Diego County Taxpayers Association California Tax Reform Association Labor California Labor Federation SEIU California State Council State Building and Construction Trades Council American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) National Organization of Legal Services Workers NOLSW, UAW Local 2320, AFL-CIO (AFSCME) Los Angeles Retiree Chapter 36 (AFSCME) Chapter 2712 International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers San Francisco Labor Council Koreatown Immigrant Workers Alliance Marin County Building and Construction Trades Council People Organized to Win Employment Rights (POWER) Plumbers and Steamfitters Local 159 Ethnic National Coalition of Hispanic Organizations Black, Asian, Minority and Ethnic Renaissance CDC South Asian Network Health California Council of Community Mental Health Agencies Mental Health Association in California Physicians for Social Responsibility - Los Angeles National Health Law Program AIDS Legal Referral Panel Women California National Organization for Women California Women's Agenda Center for Young Wonen's Development Political California Democratic Party Democratic Women's Club Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club Arroyo Democratic Club Burbank Democratic Club Democrats of Pasadena Foothills Democratic Club of Santa Maria Valley Harvey Milk LGBT Democratic Club Metropolitan Greater Oakland Democratic Club Santa Monica Democratic Club Women Democrats of Placer County ACT Associations League of California Cities California State Association of Counties California Special Districts Association California Association of Councils of Government California Chapter of the American Planning Association California Redevelopment Association San Bernardino Associated Governments (SANBAG) San Diego Association of Governmetns (SANDAG) Newspaper Editorials Los Angeles Times San Diego Union Tribune San Francisco Chronicle Fresno Bee Riverside Riverside Press Enterprise Bakersfield Californian Oakland Tribune San Bernardino Sun Contra Costa Times Inland Valley Daily Bulletin Lompoc Record North County Times Pasadena Star News San Francisco Bay Guardian San Gabriel Valley Tribune San Luis Obispo Tribune Santa Cruz Sentinel Tulare Advance Register Visalia Times Delta Vacaville Reporter Whittier Daily News Woodland Daily Democrat San Mateo County Times Pasadena Weekly Freemont Argus Hayward Daily Review Tri-Valley Herald Alameda Times-Star San Diego City Beat
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05-15-2008, 08:57 PM
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Please Read Prop 98 for yourself and then decide...
Thanks for posting the list of those opposed to Prop 98...
The list of those in favor of Prop 98 is also quite impressive in additon to the 1000's of California Voters that signed the petition to bring Prop 98 before the voters... Californians for Property Rights Protection is a coalition of homeowners, family farmers, small business owners, and other property owners (small and large) led by the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, California Farm Bureau Federation, and The California Alliance to Protect Private Property Rights. Add your name to our list of supporters, join our coalition. SUPPORTERS (partial list) Property Rights Organizations California Alliance to Protect Private Property Rights Californians United for Redevelopment Education, Orange County Californians for Property Rights Grantville Action Group Property Owners Association of Riverside County Property Rights Alliance Sonoma County Land Rights Coalition Taxpayer Groups California Republican Taxpayers Association California Taxpayer Protection Committee Central Solano Citizen/Taxpayer Group Contra Costa Taxpayers Association Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association Inland Empire Taxpayers Association League of Placer County Taxpayers National Tax Limitation Committee National Taxpayers Union Sacramento County Taxpayers League San Diego Tax Fighters Shasta County Taxpayers Association Silicon Valley Taxpayers Association Sonoma County Taxpayers Association Sutter County Taxpayers Association Ventura County Taxpayers Association Yolo County Taxpayers Association Faith Based Capitol Resource Family Impact Victory Chapel, San Bernardino Political California Federation of Republican Women California Republican Party California Libertarian Party Orange County Lincoln Club Riverside County Libertarian Party Agriculture California Canning Peach Association California Bean Shippers Association California Dairies, Inc. California Farm Bureau Federation California Grain and Feed Association California Pear Growers Association Fresno Cooperative Raisin Growers, Inc. Inyo Mono County Farm Bureau Kern County Farm Bureau Al Montna, Montna Farms Mariposa County Farm Bureau Modoc County Farm Bureau Nevada County Farm Bureau Pacific Egg and Poultry Association Sacramento County Farm Bureau San Diego County Farm Bureau San Luis Obispo Farm Bureau Siskiyou County Farm Bureau Tulare County Farm Bureau Business California Association of REALTORS California Business Alliance California Hispanic Chambers of Commerce Small Business Action Committee Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council Contra Costa Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Nicaraguan American Chamber of Commerce, Northern California National Federation of Independent Business Port Hueneme Chamber of Commerce San Mateo County Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Salvadorian American Chamber of Commerce Solano Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Housing Providers Apartment Association, California Southern Cities Apartment Association of Greater Los Angeles (AAGLA) Apartment Owner Association of California (AOA) Berkeley Property Owners Association California Housing Providers Coalition California Mobilehome Parkowners Alliance Manufactured Housing Educational Trust Manufactured Housing Institute Orange County Apartment Association Western Manufactured Housing Communities Association Local Governments City of Rancho Santa Margarita City of Westminster Orange County Board of Supervisors Elected Officials - Statewide Senator Jim Battin Senator Dave Cox Senator Jeff Denham Senator Bob Dutton Senator Tom Harman Senator Dennis Hollingsworth Senator Bob Margett Senator Tom McClintock Senator George Runner Assemblymember Joel Anderson Assemblymember John J. Benoit Assemblymember Chuck DeVore Assemblymember Ted Gaines Assemblymember Bonnie Garcia Assemblymember Guy Houston Assemblymember Bob Huff Assemblymember Doug La Malfa Assemblymember Bill Maze Assemblymember Sharon Runner Assemblymember Jim Silva Assemblymember Audra Strickland Assemblymember Van Tran Assemblymember Mimi Walters Bill Leonard, Board of Equalization Elected Officials - Local Stephen Atchley, Pomona City Council Bill Crawford, South Lake Tahoe City Council Jack Fuller, Oceanside City Council Kevin Hanley, Auburn City Council Diane Harkey, Dana Point City Council Calvin Hinton, Pacifica City Council Sue Horne, Nevada County Board of Supervisors Bruce Kranz, Placer County Board of Supervisors Dan Logue, Yuba County Board of Supervisors Jack Lynch, Angels Camp City Council Roberta MacGlashan, Sacramento Board of Supervisors Jeff Miller, Corona City Council John Nicoletti, Yuba County Board of Supervisors Chris Norby, Orange County Board of Supervisors Bill Campbell, Orange County Board of Supervisors Brian Oneto, Amador County Board of Supervisors Curt Pringle, Anaheim City Council Gail Reavis, Mission Viejo City Council David Sanders, Rancho Cordova City Council Neil Blais, Rancho Santa Margarita City Council Leo Trujillo, Santa Maria City Council Robert Twist, San Marino City Council Kurt Vander Weide, Turlock City Council Kim Dolbow Vann, Colusa County Board of Supervisors Larry Wahl, Chico City Council Marie Waldron, Escondido City Council Eric Ziedrich, Healdsburg City Council
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05-16-2008, 10:16 AM
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05-16-2008, 10:24 AM
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As an apartment renter, I will agree, I have moved just about every 1.5 year for the last five years. Not out of choice, but because landlords in this city are scum. They charge overpriced rents for dumps and play silly mind games with tenants and disrespect them when they are paying them $2,000 - $3,000 a month for apartments not worth anything near that. Believe me, I would love to own property. However, I am not paying $1 million for a 60 year-old home in the heart of Culver City which needs another $20,000 to $30,000 in repair. Real estate is just a crime here and for those of us trapped into living in apartments, I see no reason for us to be screwed any longer. I have to correct you. There are many hidden agendas in Prop 98 which will render apartment dwellers almost helpless, not to mention, hopeless. And yes, apartment dwellers are considered "third class citizens" otherwise the initiatives in Prop 98 would have never made it in there in the first place.
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05-16-2008, 11:14 AM
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05-16-2008, 11:57 AM
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05-16-2008, 12:09 PM
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I think many of you are not understanding the economic impact of removing rent control. Rent control is a social program much like welfare, medicare, unemployment, food stamps, etc. There is a reason these programs are in place, to keep the economy running. When these programs cease to exist, the poor who use these programs have even less money for their daily needs then they had before, which actually is a bad thing for the economy as a whole. If you know anything about Keynesian Theory, you know that there is a mulitplier effect in the economy. In other words, for each dollar spent, a multiple of that dollar is infused into the economy. So logically, we can say that each dollar that is taken away from renters is compounded throughout the economy. If renters are spending more of their income on rents, they have less money for food, clothing and other products or services that would be purchased with disposable income. This would in turn decrease revenues of businesses. When the revenues of businesses decrease, they have to cut back on expenses which usually includes downsizing and lowering their payroll. When people don't have jobs, people can't afford their rent and they go looking for jobs elsewhere.
The other thing about rent control is that it has secondary impacts on landlords as well. Rental properties that fall under rent control restrictions decrease the value of the property. Also, landlords who own these types of buildings build rent control into their prices. Take for instance Santa Monica. There are people in my building who have been there for over 30 years. They probably pay well under $1000 for a two bedroom apartment. I pay nearly double this for a one bedroom. Unfortunately, supply is so tight that it drives up market rates in Santa Monica so that landlords can charge these exuberant rent amounts to people like me in order to make up for the "lost" rent from tenants who pay highly discounted rates. Bottom line, capitalist economies need all sorts of workers, from the low class all the way up to the super rich. Removing income from the lower classes is bad for the economy, if you don't believe me, go to Mexico and see the amount of poverty that exists there. Better yet, visit Detroit and see what a city looks like when its economy can't support its population.
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05-16-2008, 12:13 PM
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Left entirely out of this discussion is the horrible effect Proposition 98 would have on mobile home owners like myself who live in a mobile home park. 98 would toss out rent control not only for apartment tenants who have the freedom to say "the heck with these ridiculous rents" once the lease is up, but also for those of us who own our mobile homes BUT NOT THE SPACES THEY ARE ON.
The real estate market here in the north San Francisco Bay Area is so bad already that I've had my manufactured house up for sale since this past November. Hardly anyone has come over to look inside it. If Proposition 98 is passed, my house is rendered virtually worthless. I would have to sell it for a few pennies on the dollar with all the foreclosures on regular tract homes around here. Believe me, my wife and I are JONESING to get the (expletive) out of California and move out of state. Prop 98 would trap us here even longer, or as I've just said, I would have to take an enormous loss on our house because the new owner would have to pay house payments PLUS a ridiculous space rent PLUS annual property taxes. I love the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, but on this issue they are dead wrong. It is as if mobile home park residents don't even exist as far as the discussion on 98 is concerned, and it's really starting to wear thin on me. Reject 98, support 99, then come back with an eminent domain proposition in 2010 with teeth in it that doesn't hurt mobile home owners.
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I've already been trapped here for eleven years; what's another 30 or 40, right?
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