Curious about L.A (to live, rich, deal)

[Ransomed]

Originally Posted by lc6x

any blacks dragged over in chains,their children and grandchildren,great grandchildren have it much better here than starving in africa or having a 18 year lifespan their!

How sick!!!!

[lc6x]

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Originally Posted by lc6x
You are both wrong. There is one group of people (Black people) who are NOT immigrants. Being dragged over in chains and forced into slavery does not count as immigration.

any blacks dragged over in chains,their children and grandchildren,great grandchildren have it much better here than starving in africa or having a 18 year lifespan their!

Says the card carrying member of the KKK. Or is it the Aryian Nation.


wrong on both accusations,slavery was wrong but unless you were an actual slave get over it already.you won't be successful until you do!

[CESpeed]

Originally Posted by lc6x

Quote:
Originally Posted by lc6x
You are both wrong. There is one group of people (Black people) who are NOT immigrants. Being dragged over in chains and forced into slavery does not count as immigration.

any blacks dragged over in chains,their children and grandchildren,great grandchildren have it much better here than starving in africa or having a 18 year lifespan their!

Says the card carrying member of the KKK. Or is it the Aryian Nation.


wrong on both accusations,slavery was wrong but unless you were an actual slave get over it already.you won't be successful until you do!

Who says I'm unsuccessful? Tell the jewish people to "get over" the Holocaust.

As a White person in this country, you can't begin to understand the ramifications that treating people like cattle for generations, raising generations with that mentality and then telling them "you're free go fend for yourselves". All the while, still treating them like second class citizens, denying them basic human rights for more generations and then expecting them to act as though none of that happened is beyond ridiculous.

[lc6x]

get over it already.you won't be successful until you do!

[woogexx]

cespeed youve been "very soon" moving to AR for awhile.....when is that actually going to happen? Also, will you continue to constantly use your race card there as well? I assume you will probably have more relevant reasons to use it there since its more conservative...that equals a field day for you huh!....i would think that'd hopefully give you more motivation to leave this state quicker...

[CESpeed]

Originally Posted by lc6x

get over it already.you won't be successful until you do!

Excellent vocabulary skills.

To woogexx, I'll move on my schedule, not yours.

Since when is pointing out a historical fact "playing the race card"? The facts are the Africans who originally came to the US did not come voluntarily...they were forced to. Therefore, they, nor their descendants, can be considered immigrants.

[timelesschild]

Definitions of Immigrant on the Web:

• Someone who has become a lawful permanent resident. www.visabureau.com/america/america-visa.aspx
• a person who comes to live in the speaker's country. In France this term is always associated with economic reasons.
  lrgs.org.uk/page/page/binary/magic/825221/migration%20definitions
• An alien who has been granted the right by the USCIS to reside permanently in the United States and to work without restrictions in the ...www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=129236,00.html
• A person who is (or has been) a landed immigrant, that is, a person who has been granted the right to live in Canada permanently by Canadian immigration authorities. ...www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/glossary.asp
• this is a technical legal term which means a foreign national who has been granted permission to remain in the United States permanently, that is a “legal permanent resident” or “green card holder” and as such is distinguished from a “non-immigrant” who comes to the United States on ...
  www.immigrationequality.org/template.php
• An individual established in a national territory but born outside of it. Natives are not immigrants. ...www.accommodements.qc.ca/documentation/glossaire-en.html
• Individual born outside of the United States, Puerto Rico, or an outlying United States territory. www.nccp.org/tools/demographics/definitions.php
• any person who is residing in the United States as a legally recognized and lawfully recorded permanent resident. ...www.visalaw.com/03aug1/2aug103.html
• In this publication, an immigrant is any pupil who is a Jew, a non-Arab Christian or without religious classification, who was born outside of ...www.cbs.gov.il/publications/education_imig04/word/intro_e.doc
• A person who comes from another country to settle in a new country. The term is usually used from the perspective of the new country.www.gradesaver.com/classicnotes/titles/warrior/terms.html
• A person who intends to remain in the United States on a permanent basis.www.ladominguezlaw.com/11.html
• a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
• Immigration refers to the movement of people between countries. While the movement of people has existed throughout human history at various levels, modern immigration implies long-term, legal, permanent residence. ...
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant
• A person who comes to a country to permanently settle from another country; A plant or animal that establishes itself in an area where it previously did not exist; Of or relating to immigrants or the act of immigrating en.wiktionary.org/wiki/immigrant

Now those are several definitions of "immigrant". It would seem, therefore, that immigrant status pretty much ends after the first generation, and doesn't address the question of intent. If you were born there and moved here, you're an immigrant, irrespective of your desire or lack-of-desire to take this move. If you were born HERE and move THERE, you're an emigrant.

[CESpeed]

Making the argument longer doesn't make it less ignorant or RIGHT. But since I'm have nothing else to do to at the moment let's examine the extent of your wrongness:

Originally Posted by timelesschild

Definitions of Immigrant on the Web:

• Someone who has become a lawful permanent resident. www.visabureau.com/america/america-visa.aspx

Blacks not recognized as full citizens until 1964.

• a person who comes to live in the speaker's country. In France this term is always associated with economic reasons.
  lrgs.org.uk/page/page/binary/magic/825221/migration%20definitions

On what planet does the word "come" not mean "willingness"?

• An alien who has been granted the right by the USCIS to reside permanently in the United States and to work without restrictions in the ...www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=129236,00.html

I think LACK OF FREEDOM to terminate work is a BIG restriction.

• A person who is (or has been) a landed immigrant, that is, a person who has been granted the right to live in Canada permanently by Canadian immigration authorities. ...www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/glossary.asp

A definition from Canada? Revelance?

• this is a technical legal term which means a foreign national who has been granted permission to remain in the United States permanently, that is a “legal permanent resident” or “green card holder” and as such is distinguished from a “non-immigrant” who comes to the United States on ...
  www.immigrationequality.org/template.php

In order for one to be granted permission, one has to ask to be here. (I don't think being dragged kicking and screaming is asking to be here)

• An individual established in a national territory but born outside of it. Natives are not immigrants. ...www.accommodements.qc.ca/documentation/glossaire-en.html

Wouldn't that mean that Black are citizens of whatever African country we were ripped from?

• Individual born outside of the United States, Puerto Rico, or an outlying United States territory. www.nccp.org/tools/demographics/definitions.php

Relevance?

• any person who is residing in the United States as a legally recognized and lawfully recorded permanent resident. ...www.visalaw.com/03aug1/2aug103.html

Again, I refer back to Civil Rights Acts of 1964

• In this publication, an immigrant is any pupil who is a Jew, a non-Arab Christian or without religious classification, who was born outside of ...www.cbs.gov.il/publications/education_imig04/word/intro_e.doc

Relevance?

• A person who comes from another country to settle in a new country. The term is usually used from the perspective of the new country.www.gradesaver.com/classicnotes/titles/warrior/terms.html

"Comes to" means "voluntary" entry.

• A person who intends to remain in the United States on a permanent basis.www.ladominguezlaw.com/11.html

I think the number of runaways makes the intention of the slaves very clear.

• a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Again, the words "comes to" not "dragged to"

• Immigration refers to the movement of people between countries. While the movement of people has existed throughout human history at various levels, modern immigration implies long-term, legal, permanent residence. ...
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant

This is the only definition that can be stretched to fit slavery.

• A person who comes to a country to permanently settle from another country; A plant or animal that establishes itself in an area where it previously did not exist; Of or relating to immigrants or the act of immigrating en.wiktionary.org/wiki/immigrant

Again, "comes to" not "dragged to".

Now those are several definitions of "immigrant". It would seem, therefore, that immigrant status pretty much ends after the first generation, and doesn't address the question of intent. If you were born there and moved here, you're an immigrant, irrespective of your desire or lack-of-desire to take this move. If you were born HERE and move THERE, you're an emigrant.

Nice try.

[Sorcerer68]

There's one troll with 3 different identities posting in this thread. Just sayin'.

[msnorman67]

Originally Posted by timelesschild

How can you describe what it's like? I keep coming back to how beautiful it is. The mountains, the hills, the trees laden with fruits and flowers. I like the mix of housing styles - Spanish, Craftsman, and Modern are the dominant styles, perhaps; certainly not the only ones. I love the palm trees. The lush landscaping of every kind just keeps me in awe.

I love the hillside seashore towns and the wildlife. We have parrots, a skunk and a huge fat raccoon in our yard. I think they live on fruit from the trees.

I love the wide variety of things to do and the amazing array of languages spoken. I came prepared to need Spanish - Spanish is a drop in the bucket compared to Chinese, Korean, Armenian, .... .... .... I have heard people walking around chattering brightly in Russian, French, Japanese and German, within the same 5 minutes.

Do you like shopping? Here it is. Mountains and ocean? Here they are. Culture? Here it is. Concerts? Museums? Here they are. Amazing economic opportunities like no other place on earth? Right here.

Ordinary random people continually tell me, "welcome to California." It's like part of the culture to welcome newcomers. It's a city of newcomers, all welcoming each other. Oh, don't get me wrong. There are people who have lived here for 3, 4, 5 generations. My uncle is one. I love to hear his stories of dancing at the Cocoanut Grove when he was a young man, back in the day.

I love the forested hills right in the middle of this world-class city! It totally amazes me to be in the countryside in the middle of town!!!!

Did I mention food? Oh, good grief, get ready for some amazing food.

Traffic - lacklustre public transit - housing woes - illegal immigrants - crime - grafitti - yep, they're all here too. There just isn't any way to describe this city in a few short sentences or a few short posts, which is why we all keep reading, writing, and talking about it, I suppose.

Great! You hit on many of the things I moved here for and also many of the things I discovered that I never expected. I love the language thing as well. I bookmarked a Armenian language site as well as a Spanish language site as soon as I realized how cool the diversity was in my neighborhood. I tried out some Armenian greetings with some folks on my block and was warmly welcomed. Had a great conversation as well as some much needed lessons in pronunciation. It's not all about "Hollywood", but I love that too.