Los Angeles suburbs.... (San Diego, San Jose, San Francisco: crime, neighborhood, school)

[MIKEETC]

Originally Posted by BRinSM

it sounds to me like you're trying to shove a square peg into a round hole. good luck!

One thing I will say is at least he's thinking about it. Thinking leads to understanding, and understanding will promote good planning. He's asking the kind of questions that first year urban planning students ask - which is good. It is even make me think about it more (and I graduated 9 years ago!).

Originally Posted by the one

i think a lot of this has to do with history. thats why the idea of urban core and suburbs might not trully reflect the reality of LA proper, Greater LA, LA count AND LA metropolitan area.

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but even then, its all left to interpretation.

LA is just a big city, currounded by other big, medium, small cities.

This is a good summary and a great example of why it is so difficult to pin down the definitions . I agree, at the end of the day it may be up to interpretation.

Originally Posted by FresnoFacts

The Brookings Institute just did a study of exurbs in October.

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http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/reports/2006/10metropolitanpolicy_berube/20061017_exurbia.pdf

Thanks for the link !

[Winston Smith]

Originally Posted by the city

Guys, please don't jump to conclusions. I never said Santa Barbara or San Luis Obispo were ex-urbs of LA did I?

Eh, I know how it is. I forget things all the time, too. This was way back on page 1:

Originally Posted by the city

the communities i listed are ex-urban because they are past the rural parts of the main urban area. lancaster and palmdale are also ex-urban communites. santa barbara is also ex-urban and san luis obispo is also ex-urban.

Maybe that's how we got the notion that you meant those areas are ex-urban to LA. If they're ex-urban, they must be ex-urban of something, right? Anyway...

Originally Posted by the city

Oxnard and Ventura and Camarillo back in the 50s were commuter towns to LA, and that is why I say they are today. You have to look at what things were back when urban, suburban, rural, and ex-urban were first defined.

Oxnard/Ventura has commuters going to the greater LA area, sure, but there are also 15,000 traveling daily the other way to Santa Barbara. A substantial number of Ox-Vens travel to the Santa Clarita Valley, as well. So much so that Ventura County has entertained extending the VISTA express commuter bus service there, plus tried to coordinate with LA County on commuter rail between Montalvo and Valencia.

[the city]

yeah, the question I ask is definately up to intrepretation.

it seems the biggest controversary is on the ex-urbs. it is hard to determine what each city was meant to be since we weren't around the time when planners decide what all cities should be classified as during the 1950s.

I am starting to think that the only urban cities are the ones with 500,000 population + (metropolis's)

List of United States cities by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact, I would only consider the 50 largest cities urban.

Since every other city seems to be ex-urban. (extra urban) I think ex-urban cities started off as the prosperous wealthy upper-class suburbs of big cities, but now with more cities finding other ways to get money we have more ex-urbs.

[the city]

here are list of the largest communities in Los Angeles that are suburbs:

-Glendale (suburban-urban)
-Pomona
-Torrance (suburban-urban)
-Pasadena (suburban-urban)
-El Monte
-Inglewood
-Downey
-West Covina
-Norwalk
-Burbank (suburban-urban)

The ex-urban communities in LA county: Lancaster, Palmdale, Santa Clarita

and then there are the smaller communities that I need help identifying (gotten from wiki):

• Acton-rural
• Agoura-suburban
• Agua Dulce-rural
• Alondra Park-suburban
• Altadena-suburban
• Antelope Acres-rural
• Athens-rural
• Avocado Heights-rural
• Baldwin Hills-suburban
• Bassett-suburban
• Big Mountain Ridge-rural
• Big Pines-rural
• Big Rock-rural
• Bouquet Canyon-rural
• Castaic-rural-urban fringe
• Castaic Junction-rural-urban fringe

• Charter Oak-suburban
• Citrus-suburban
• Cornell-rural
• Del Aire-rural
• Del Sur-rural
• Del Valle-rural
• Desert View Highlands-rural
• East Compton-suburban
• East La Mirada-suburban
• East Los Angeles-suburban urban
• East Pasadena-suburban urban
• East San Gabriel-suburban
• Florence-Graham-suburban
• Gorman-rural
• Hacienda Heights-suburban
• Juniper Hills-suburban
• Kinneloa Mesa-rural

• La Crescenta-Montrose-rural
• Ladera Heights-suburban
• Lake Hughes-rural
• Lake Los Angeles-rural
• Lennox-rural
• Leona Valley-rural
• Littlerock-rural
• Llano-rural
• Marina del Rey-suburban
• Mayflower Village-rural
• North El Monte-suburban
• Pearblossom-rural
• Quartz Hill-suburban
• Rowland Heights-suburban
• South San Gabriel-suburban
• South San Jose Hills-rural

• South Whittier-suburban
• Stevenson Ranch-suburban
• Topanga-suburban
• Val Verde-suburban
• Valinda-rural
• Valyermo-rural
• View Park-Windsor Hills-rural
• Vincent-rural
• Walnut Park-rural
• West Athens-rural
• West Carson-suburban
• West Compton-suburban
• West Puente Valley-rural
• West Whittier-Los Nietos-rural
• Westmont-suburban
• Willowbrook-rural

[bhcompy]

You've left out a lot of cities, any reason why?

[the city]

Originally Posted by bhcompy

You've left out a lot of cities, any reason why?

those were all of the communities in LA county (not including LB and LA) listed under wikipedia.

[the city]

Originally Posted by the city

those were all of the communities in LA county (not including LB and LA) listed under wikipedia.

i seem to have found the rest of communities in LA county.

List of cities in Los Angeles County, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and i would say all of those cities are suburban except for westlake village which i consider to be a rural suburb of Thousand Oaks.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by the city

List of cities in Los Angeles County, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

all of those cities are suburban

Including the City of Los Angeles?

[the city]

Originally Posted by Charles

Including the City of Los Angeles?

like i said before los angeles and long beach are ubran, and santa clarita palmdale and lancaster r ex-urbs

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by the city

like i said before los angeles and long beach are ubran, and santa clarita palmdale and lancaster r ex-urbs

Even the city of LA is huge and very diverse. Some parts are quite surburban in nature. Ditto on Long Beach. I don't know if I'd call Santa Clarita exurban considering how relatively close it is to jobs in the San Fernando Valley.