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12-20-2008, 10:23 PM
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Suburbs = tracts of homes build outside of a city to house people working in that city.
Long Beach is not a suburb of LA. Long Beach did not spring up to house downtown LA's workers. Long Beach and many other older towns in the LA basin have their own downtowns, histories, and even suburbs. Over time everything has grown together into one big mass. If you're going to call Long Beach a suburb of LA, you may as well throw in Santa Ana, Huntington Beach, Fullerton, etc.
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12-21-2008, 02:07 AM
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Formerly 'cre8'. Now just a character.
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Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia
Suburbs = tracts of homes build outside of a city to house people working in that city.
Long Beach is not a suburb of LA. Long Beach did not spring up to house downtown LA's workers. Long Beach and many other older towns in the LA basin have their own downtowns, histories, and even suburbs. Over time everything has grown together into one big mass. If you're going to call Long Beach a suburb of LA, you may as well throw in Santa Ana, Huntington Beach, Fullerton, etc.
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Or, since LA and Long Beach have grown together into one mass, maybe LA could just as easily be a suburb of Long Beach.  |
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12-21-2008, 10:18 AM
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long beach wasnt originally a suburb. do some research on how it was established, and it was not established as a suburb. originally as a resort, and then for the port, oil, rail, and navy, not for any relation to los angeles, which was a long distance away at the time long beach was active as its own city(very early 1900s, same time los angeles was doing its own growth). and long beach will have some of its own suburbs if you want to classify as such, but its difficult to establish any city as a suburb that far south/east in la and orange county since most were developed in the 60s and 70s after there were already multiple job centers in the la basin
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12-22-2008, 03:17 PM
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man like i said... LA is the big brother to all the cities that it grew up with. LB, CPT, HP, PAS, SaMo, they are all in the shouthland family, but are overshadowed by the over acheiving big brother. they all grew up together.
suburban would be those area you can walk to the corner for some smokes, food, liquor, washing machines etc.
but i think we might end up going in circles on this one.
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12-27-2008, 05:12 PM
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Okay, so I was talking to some of my teachers at school and determining what areas are suburban communities and suburbs of LA.
We rules that Agoura Hills and Calabasas are the outer suburban communities.
Hidden Hills and Oak Park are the rural-fringe.
The San Fernando Valley and San Gabriel Valley and Harbor District are the main suburbia parts of the city of Los Angeles (Santa Monica, Northridge, Sherman Oaks etc...)
We decided most inner city areas are urban. And we decided that Glendale and Burbank were inner suburban communities.
We also ruled that the only urban parts are downtown LA, Hollywood, Venice Beach, Mid-Wilshire, and Westwood. And for good urban living my teachers told me to live in a good part of downtown for cost reasons and b/c you can't live in westwood unless going to UCLA.
My teachers also said that Thousand Oaks, Simi Valley, Oxnard, Ventura, Santa Clarita, and Victorville are some of LA's ex-urban communities.
Am I correct on most of this??? I plan to go to CSUN in 2009 to major in urban planning. I am planning on interning for cities my third year, and be looking for a place to intern for a job my 4th year. I plan on getting an apartment in Agoura Hills at first, and then eventually a condo. This is all of course 5 years down the line, and that's just my goal right now. My plans may change.
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Wow, did you have ANY idea this topic would generate so much discussion? I hope all this discourse doesn't discourage you from pursuing Urban Planning at CSUN. I am a SoCal native, have been out of planning school (Cal Poly Pomona) for almost two decades and am a member of AICP. SoCal is a unique place because of the way it developed and, as you have seen in this thread, it is sometimes difficult to get folks to agree on a "label" for particular place. I believe there are some valuable comments in the thread (and some healthy disagreements!) Keep in mind a couple of things: 1) a community's character may morph from one category to another over time as the region grows and changes, and 2) a city or community may not fit cleanly into one category. Keep asking these questions and good luck in your career pursuits - the region needs good planners.
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12-27-2008, 08:34 PM
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the region needs good planners.
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Where in Southern California might the opportunities for planners be?
Is the demand for planners limited to expanding areas on the periphery of the metropolitan area, or are planners needed in existing developed areas (that might be redeveloped)?
How might today's economy affect demand for urban planners? |
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04-18-2009, 07:26 PM
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again with the trying to call something a suburb of something else.
long beach is not a suburb of los angeles. it was created completely on its own and its growth was from to means not tied with the city of los angeles(such as the port, rail, oil, and as a resort).
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Technically, Long Beach is a suburb of Los Angeles because it is in the same county as Los Angeles and it lies within the urban fringe of Los Angeles. |
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04-19-2009, 01:18 AM
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Technically, Long Beach is a suburb of Los Angeles because it is in the same county as Los Angeles and it lies within the urban fringe of Los Angeles.
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corona and temecula reside is the same county, but that doesn't make them suburbs of each other.
suburbs are created to provide housing, long beach was created as an oil, military, resort, and port city. |
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