When People Leave Los Angeles, Where Do They Go? (Pittsburg: student loans, how much)

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Lake Conroe resident

I'm sure you run into people from just about every walk of life there, I know I used to.

CA did get a great deal of migration from Texas for over a century - California's African-American community largely is descended from Texan blacks who fled Jim Crow (two of the most famous African-Americans in California politics - Willie Brown and the late Tom Bradley - were originally from the Lone Star State.). Many of the so-called "Okies" came from Texas.
Besides elderly people who came out decades ago, there are still a great deal of younger Texans in California.

The more recent tradition of people going back and forth between L.A. and Austin - which culturally is Texas' most "Californian" city - has probably added to the number of L.A. people moving to that city.

Finally, according to a recent article that's not on line by Joel Kotkin, Texas has just replaced California as the #1 destination state for illegal immigrants from Mexico due to the lower cost of living and better economy, so some of those already in CA may have moved to the Lone Star State.

[pbergen]

Originally Posted by majoun

There are a few Angelenos like myself who are in the Bay Area.

However, the cost of living and rents is equally high, and the level of crime, disorder, and social tensions - probably for the first time ever - seems higher. IMO the Bay Area might experience a "ruder awakening" this recession than L.A. From observing what it's like here, and then comparing it with my recent visits to L.A., SF and vicinity feel MUCH more like immediate pre-riots SoCal than current SoCal does. The Bay Area got off relatively easy during the last economic downturn and L.A. was hit severely ; I don't think the Bay Area will get off so easy this time. Just look at what recently occurred in Oakland. There's definitely more tension than in L.A. right now. Gang activity is soaring, including in SF itself, and there seems to be a grudging consensus that L.A.'s actually safer...

wow, i did not know that...very interesting. based on your observations, why do you think this is happening?

[rebagirl]

Friends and family of mine who left Los Angeles moved to:

Washington
Texas
Colorado
Georgia
Tennessee
Idaho
Minnesota
Alaska

Not one of these people desires to move back to L.A. The good life exists elsewhere for us.

[Eclectico]

Just a personal data point but I know 7 families that moved to Portland in the last two years. Young, hipster, artsy/creative types who were pulled by the huge, beautiful craftsman style Portland houses for 300K.

Tempting, but too grey and dreary for me, sadly. The LA sunshine is like crack and I feel pretty stuck here after being on it for so long. Perhaps that is the appeal of Texas?

[lamexican]

Lake Conroe I have noticed that you seem to completely hate California. You lived here for many years and there must have been some good times! I have also moved away and love where I relocated. still love Cali and thats why I enter this forum! Is it the same for you? I hope you enjoyed your time in Cali and are enjoying Tx. Please show some Cali love once in awhile!

[marilyn220]

Originally Posted by Woof Woof Woof!

I just heard somewhere that a lot of people are leaving Los Angeles because it simply has gotten too expensive and they can't afford it. And with the economy being the way it is, some are leaving sooner than later.

But where are they going?

Where are people in Los Angeles talking about moving to? I'm curious, so tell me what you are hearing.

Thanks!

Woofers

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm leaving at the end of January. I'll be moving back to NYC after living here for five years. There are no good or decent paying jobs here. Correction: They ARE here, but FOR THOSE IN THE KNOW. Basically for people that know someone else.

LA would have been a fun place if I was able to "afford" it.

[JL]

I've noticed alot of those that leave LA come to Texas. Once here, they pretty much pay cash for a house and then start a business.

[lamexican]

Originally Posted by marilyn220

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm leaving at the end of January. I'll be moving back to NYC after living here for five years. There are no good or decent paying jobs here. Correction: They ARE here, but FOR THOSE IN THE KNOW. Basically for people that know someone else.

LA would have been a fun place if I was able to "afford" it.

I think you will have a whole new appreciatioon when you come back to NYC! Good Luck to you Marilyn, but you should know that jobs are hard to come by here aswell!

[rotorholic]

Originally Posted by JamesLang

I've noticed alot of those that leave LA come to Texas. Once here, they pretty much pay cash for a house and then start a business.

thats what i did, sold in ca and paid cash for my house in dallas....

[Morphous01]

I could wright a book about California. I lived there for 7 years.


1. During my stay, two family's that I knew packed up and moved to Texas because it was cheaper. Another man I know of sold his home that was valued over 500k and now lives like a fat cat in the Midwest.


2. My X girlfriends parents who live in West Covina and have been there for 20 years are considering the move to Utah. I think it's because W Covina is turning into it's neighbor; Baldwin Park.


3. My business friend who is still in California wants to move his wife and child out of Irvine to relocate to Texas with his retired parents who also left California about 6 years ago.


4. As for myself, I cashed in my California chips about a month ago and returned to Pennsylvania. I had a growing business in California but I just could not stand the adolescent culture, the high cost to live, and the overall decline of California.



So based on my observations, average California Americans are being slowly backed into various corners. If you want to live a decent life were you know your neighbors and you can walk down the street and feel safe your going to PAY for it! You haft to pay because all the affordable areas are being taken over by the same people who inhabit Huntington park, who by the way, have little concern for American culture which is why no adverage American wants to live with them.

So, unfortunately, an average American has no choice but move into a higher end neighborhood which not only cost more, but also, in the long run, could be the target of robbery from the poor neighborhoods that surround it (people forget this). The other alternative is to leave the state entirely.