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View Poll Results: WHO WILL YOU VOTE FOR LA MAYOR?
Antonio Villaraigosa 14 30.43%
Walter Moore 23 50.00%
Other 9 19.57%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-06-2009, 10:38 PM
 
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Interesting tid bit is that Moore won the 12th Council District by almost a 1000 votes. The 12th district is Northridge, Granada Hills, Chatsworth, Canoga Park, Porter Ranch, parts of West Van Nuys and Encino, West Hills, North Hills, Lake Balboa, Reseda and Winnetka.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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Good point & why I am anxious for Prop 11 to redraw voting districts away from gerrymandering. If the GOP returned to its libertarian roots many Californians would again vote Republican
I like Prop 11 too.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:13 PM
 
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If there had been a debate, I don't think most of the Moore supporters would've gone for Tony. A handful might have, but most would've merely gone for another candidate as Moore's appeal was a "protest vote". The Moore supporters would've flocked to David "Zuma Dogg" Salzberg, Gordon Turner, Bruce Darian, Craig Rubin, or David Hernandez. I think Rubin would probably have been a better "protest candidate" than Moore.
I respectfully disagree. You don't think that Moore could have out debated Tony? Really? Moore is an accomplished trial lawyer. Tony V couldn't even pass the bar. Did you feel that he (Moore) did not handle himself well in the "alternative's" debates?
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Old 03-07-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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I respectfully disagree. You don't think that Moore could have out debated Tony? Really? Moore is an accomplished trial lawyer. Tony V couldn't even pass the bar. Did you feel that he (Moore) did not handle himself well in the "alternative's" debates?
Tony outdoes Moore in the charisma/personality department, and is a very slick pitchman - which reinforces what I said earlier in the thread that he should have gone into acting instead of politics. Moore, OTOH, seems to come off as weirder and weirder the more he opens his mouth. Unfortunately, CA politics seem to have been infested by the "celebrity factor", and Moore unfortunately lacked in that department.

The "anyone but Tony" crowd would've been better off going for Craig X. Rubin. He comes across as more sane than Moore - at least to me.
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:42 PM
 
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majoun Tony outdoes Moore in the charisma/personality department, and is a very slick pitchman - which reinforces what I said earlier in the thread that he should have gone into acting instead of politics. Moore, OTOH, seems to come off as weirder and weirder the more he opens his mouth. Unfortunately, CA politics seem to have been infested by the "celebrity factor", and Moore unfortunately lacked in that department.

The "anyone but Tony" crowd would've been better off going for Craig X. Rubin. He comes across as more sane than Moore - at least to me.

Are you kidding? Isn't Craig X Rubin a Jewish pastor of a church that wants marijuana totally legalized. Moore agrees with legalizing weed [probably even Villaraigosa] but they don't make marijuana the main focus of their campaigns
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Old 03-08-2009, 12:06 AM
 
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Are you kidding? Isn't Craig X Rubin a Jewish pastor of a church that wants marijuana totally legalized. Moore agrees with legalizing weed [probably even Villaraigosa] but they don't make marijuana the main focus of their campaigns
You are correct that Rubin's an oddball - but that position is pretty sane compared to some of Moore's positions. I didn't know that Moore favors legalizing weed, though. If Moore does, that's one of the less strange views Moore holds.

Some of the other fringe candidates had views that made both Moore and Rubin look sane by comparison - like Zuma Dogg's "Jello Biafra"-type campaign, the two Trotskyist candidates (wouldn't it have made more sense for the Trots to have ran a single candidate rather than two), or Bruce Darian of the "Federalist Party" (basically all of Moore's weirdness on steroids - although I don't think there's been any Federalist candidate who's held public office in the US since the 1820s)
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Old 03-08-2009, 10:11 AM
 
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Tony outdoes Moore in the charisma/personality department, and is a very slick pitchman - which reinforces what I said earlier in the thread that he should have gone into acting instead of politics. Moore, OTOH, seems to come off as weirder and weirder the more he opens his mouth. Unfortunately, CA politics seem to have been infested by the "celebrity factor", and Moore unfortunately lacked in that department.

The "anyone but Tony" crowd would've been better off going for Craig X. Rubin. He comes across as more sane than Moore - at least to me.
Now see I totally don't get the Villar charisma thing. He sounds like a politician, and he's kind of nasal. Moore is nasal too, but he cracks jokes and I think he's funny -- it's an intelligent funny. That being as it may, I don't think any of us really think that necessarily makes a great mayor -- though it doesn't hurt to have the people laughing in these times.

I really voted for Moore because I liked what he said, not just to get rid of Villar, although that would have been the best perk. My second choice might have been Hernandez, not Rubin. Nothing against Rubin or Zuma. Zuma certainly had the charisma thing going. The city can use a passionate outsider.

But what I'd really like to know is what positions on issues did you think were weird from Moore? Underground parking with parks on top? Prioritizing the addition of 3000 cops? I'm trying to attach the word "weird" to what he spoke about, and it's not working for me.
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Old 03-08-2009, 10:35 AM
 
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Justin,
The left calls anyone who does not parrot the communist party line as "weird" or some other choice pejorative.
Moore basically said that business as usual in LA is not working. But business as usual is what the powers that be are pocketing money through. To them that is weird.
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Old 03-08-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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As others have stated Moore was anathema to "Orange Co"-type Republicans for his stands on gay rights & marijuana. But his "less is better" density approach doesn't go over to well with capitalists & realists who envision trains. I may add that Villaraigosa ties to President Obama has already netted $millions for finishing Gold line into East LA before moving north out of Pasadena into Claremont
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Old 03-08-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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As others have stated Moore was anathema to "Orange Co"-type Republicans for his stands on gay rights & marijuana. But his "less is better" density approach doesn't go over to well with capitalists & realists who envision trains. I may add that Villaraigosa ties to President Obama has already netted $millions for finishing Gold line into East LA before moving north out of Pasadena into Claremont
Villaraigosa's ties are because Los Angeles overwhelmingly supported Obama, Tony had nothing to do with that. Can you honestly say that if Moore had been elected, the current administration would have turned its back on SoCal? Villaraigosa supported Clinton for President, anyway.

As to density, it's not a question that L.A. has to have more housing, it's just how much? And is it being done safely, economically, and intelligently. Are bids for building and transportation going to the most deserving with the best plans, or are they being farmed out to special interests?

When the only real job you've ever had has been on the dime of the taxpayer, it would only make sense that you want to keep that gig going. Where did Tony get his $3 mill war chest?
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