U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California > Los Angeles
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-07-2010, 09:28 PM
 
60 posts, read 129,813 times
Reputation: 55
as a hispanic american, i laugh at this. This is the USA and always will be. Period.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-08-2010, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Sawtelle District
122 posts, read 309,457 times
Reputation: 46
Know about it and encountered vocal members of this group. Like the earlier poster said, it is mainly something collage kids attach themselves to. I never took it seriously and their arguments (as well as the way they argue) are ridiculous and weak.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-08-2010, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
3,472 posts, read 2,506,139 times
Reputation: 3426
Atzlan, La Raza, MECHa, Reconquistas, etc, all should take a basic history course. At the height of its power the Aztec Empires northern boundary ended far to the south of what is today the USA. Just what claim Mestizos from southern Mexico and Central America have to the American Southwest is puzzling. This said, however, these movements should not be taken lightly, as there are a large number of extremeists in them, and in the event of civil unrest or an actual insurrection, they could carry out widespread damage. In the unlikely event of such an uprising actually occuring, there are those on the other side that are very well armed and would respond with widespread deadly force. One of the false perceptions of the Atzlan crowd is that Anglos are all soft and cannot or would not fight them. If they actually were so foolish as to resort to violence, this mistaken belief could cost them their lives. In the meantime, let them make speeches, write papers, go on marches, and waste their time and energy on what is a useless cause.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-08-2010, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Denver
7,844 posts, read 9,331,311 times
Reputation: 3698
Quote:
Originally Posted by LALove24 View Post
as a hispanic american, i laugh at this. This is the USA and always will be. Period.
this^

and this

Quote:
Originally Posted by the one View Post
its all a bunch of noise.

im born and bred in LA and this reconquista stuff is a phantom. the media, and racist (white supremacists/ storm front) groups make it out to be a big deal when in fact it isnt. its a bunch of hooey. its something that college kids beleive, but then forget about. as angelinos, we dont worry about that.

trust me, the Mexicans dont want to take anything back. its a few college kids here and there. nothing serious. the wack-job, looney tunes, storm fronters are the ones who hype this up and give it more importance than it deserves. normal people like myself could care less.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-08-2010, 04:29 PM
 
313 posts, read 175,579 times
Reputation: 44
There is no such thing as an "Aztlan Movement".

The theory you are are referring to is actually claimed by far right wingers who call it "Reconquista", or the reconquering of the Southwest by evil Mexicans.

Aztlan was a term that came into popularity among Chicanos(Americans of Mexican descent) in the 1960s. Remembers, this was the 60s, when America was going through major changes. A lot of radical politics as well as ethnic nationalism. It was a different America back then, much less tolerant of it's racial minorities and cultures. The theory of Aztlan was in reaction to this social atmosphere.

Even at the height of its popularity among Chicanos in the 60s, 70s, early 80s, the Aztlan theory was more about identity than anything, never an actual movement or plan.

Aztlan is a term used to describe the mythical land that included the American southwest. The theory was so that Chicanos wouldn't feel alienated in the WASP culture, the theory said they were already home, and they shouldn't me made to feel like outsiders. This was their home, the theory said.

Today, with a lot of anti-immigrant sentiment, leading to a lot of anti-Mexican sentiment, the old radical theory has been used by the far right wingers to stir fear.

They claim that Mexicans(and Americans of Mexican descent) are all in cahoots with a plan to retake the Southwest. Based on this theory, that was more about identity than anything, they spread this idea that there is a literal movement going on to retake America.

In reality, the theory has never been more than a point of identity. Never been an actual "movement". It's not nearly as popular among Chicanos as it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. And the vast majority of illegal immigrants have never heard of the term, or the myth behind it.

The only people who believe it are anti-Mexican immigrants, far right wingers, and a few out of touch Chicano professors/students with their minds stuck in 60s politics. Don't believe the hype. It's just fearmongering.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-08-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
5,398 posts, read 7,508,246 times
Reputation: 2161
relax chicken little. aint no one fighting. no need to fluff your feathers mentioning how well armed anyone is.

it wont happen. stop adding to the hysteria.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackShoe View Post
Atzlan, La Raza, MECHa, Reconquistas, etc, all should take a basic history course. At the height of its power the Aztec Empires northern boundary ended far to the south of what is today the USA. Just what claim Mestizos from southern Mexico and Central America have to the American Southwest is puzzling. This said, however, these movements should not be taken lightly, as there are a large number of extremeists in them, and in the event of civil unrest or an actual insurrection, they could carry out widespread damage. In the unlikely event of such an uprising actually occuring, there are those on the other side that are very well armed and would respond with widespread deadly force. One of the false perceptions of the Atzlan crowd is that Anglos are all soft and cannot or would not fight them. If they actually were so foolish as to resort to violence, this mistaken belief could cost them their lives. In the meantime, let them make speeches, write papers, go on marches, and waste their time and energy on what is a useless cause.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-08-2010, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
16 posts, read 31,309 times
Reputation: 13
Hispanics don't generally think in terms of "reconquering" the Southwest, but they do widely support mass immigration from Latin America. Like all ethnic and racial groups, Hispanics give their support to their own people and pursue their own interests. The effect of this has been rapid Latin Americanization (esp Mexicanization) of the region. This hasn't been a violent conquest but a slow takeover through illegal and chain immigration and high birthrates.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-08-2010, 10:06 PM
 
313 posts, read 175,579 times
Reputation: 44
Quote:
Originally Posted by CMacD View Post
Hispanics don't generally think in terms of "reconquering" the Southwest, but they do widely support mass immigration from Latin America. Like all ethnic and racial groups, Hispanics give their support to their own people and pursue their own interests. The effect of this has been rapid Latin Americanization (esp Mexicanization) of the region. This hasn't been a violent conquest but a slow takeover through illegal and chain immigration and high birthrates.
This Latin Americanization is highly evident in new especially Latino celebrities like Eva Longoria, George Lopez, Jessica Alba, Rosario Dawson, Mario Lopez, and the millions of Hispanic-Americans like them! Doesn't even feel American! Complete Latin Americanization.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-08-2010, 10:29 PM
 
Location: LA
6,100 posts, read 11,035,929 times
Reputation: 2455
Quote:
Originally Posted by arpayaso View Post
This Latin Americanization is highly evident in new especially Latino celebrities like Eva Longoria, George Lopez, Jessica Alba, Rosario Dawson, Mario Lopez, and the millions of Hispanic-Americans like them! Doesn't even feel American! Complete Latin Americanization.
I'm really hoping this is tongue in cheek, but i'm not good at picking up sarcasm over the internet.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-08-2010, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Escondido, CA
1,504 posts, read 3,442,123 times
Reputation: 808
After all the effort they put into trying to get OUT OF Mexico and INTO this country, very few sane Mexican-Americans would try to reunite southwestern states with Mexico again. It's like saying that there's a movement that wants to make Miami-Dade County a province of Cuba. There's a better chance of Baja becoming the 51st state.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2011 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $79,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California > Los Angeles
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2014, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 - Top