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Old 01-25-2010, 08:46 PM
 
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Huh? I've seen Trader Joe's markets in Granada Hills, Santa Clarita, La Crescenta, and even Bakersfield. They also have stores in Long Beach, Torrance, Culver City, Manhattan Beach, Ventura, Simi Valley, and Thousand Oaks, as well as lots of other places. These are working class areas.

Just wondering what was meant by that statement.
Now, there is no reason to read too much into it, jdavid.
This is a democratic forum where everyone can air concerns.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:18 PM
 
Location: RSM
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Huh? I've seen Trader Joe's markets in Granada Hills, Santa Clarita, La Crescenta, and even Bakersfield. They also have stores in Long Beach, Torrance, Culver City, Manhattan Beach, Ventura, Simi Valley, and Thousand Oaks, as well as lots of other places. These are working class areas.

Just wondering what was meant by that statement.
Not really working class.. More like middle to upper middle to upper class. Working class might be Lakewood and maybe Torrance, but that's the very successful working class types(firefighters, policemen, boeing mechanics, established longshoremen, etc). Real working class is somewhere like Wilmington, where there is no Trader Joes. The Long Beach Trader Joes is in the Marina(ie Yachts), borders Naples(one of the priciest areas in the city and in SE LAC) and Seal Beach(decidedly upper middle class). Manhattan Beach is very expensive. Thousand Oaks is expensive. Santa Clarita is a family exurb. Bakersfield is it's own metropolitan area(57th largest city in the US). etc

You aren't talking about Harbor City, Wilmington, or Hawaiian Gardens here. Those are where the real working class live, and the primary bigname food retailer in those areas tends to be Food4Less, not Trader Joes or Whole Foods

I'm not saying Trader Joes is engaging in any kind of discrimination or anything, but they are in areas that can afford and desire their product selection, which can be fairly eclectic and sometimes pricey.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Way on the outskirts of LA LA land.
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Not really working class.. More like middle to upper middle to upper class.
Well, I guess the misunderstanding is mine. I've assumed the "working class" to be people that are employed and earning an income. I did not realize that the "working class" was only the lower tier of this group. From Wikipedia:

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Working class is a term used in academic sociology and in ordinary conversation to describe those employed in lower tier jobs, as measured by skill, education and compensation. Working classes are mainly found in industrialized economies and in urban areas of non-industrialized economies.
As with many terms describing social class, working class is defined and used in many different ways. When used non-academically, it typically refers to a section of society dependent on physical labor, especially when compensated with an hourly wage. Its use in academic discourse is contentious, especially following the decline of manual labor in postindustrial societies. Some academics question the usefulness of the concept of a working class. The term is usually contrasted with the upper class and middle class, in terms of access to economic resources, education and cultural interests. Its usage can be derogatory, but many people self-identify as working class and experience a sense of pride similar to a national identity.

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Working class might be Lakewood and maybe Torrance, but that's the very successful working class types(firefighters, policemen, boeing mechanics, established longshoremen, etc).
According to the definition above, these would not be "working class", but rather "middle class" jobs, with the possible exception of the longshoremen. This is where I had my misunderstanding. I thought police, firefighters, aircraft mechanics, and so on, were the working class. Silly me!
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Huh? I've seen Trader Joe's markets in Granada Hills, Santa Clarita, La Crescenta, and even Bakersfield. They also have stores in Long Beach, Torrance, Culver City, Manhattan Beach, Ventura, Simi Valley, and Thousand Oaks, as well as lots of other places. These are working class areas.

Just wondering what was meant by that statement.
Sylmar is considered a ghetto in comparison to the cities you mentioned.
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:57 AM
 
Location: RSM
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Well, I guess the misunderstanding is mine. I've assumed the "working class" to be people that are employed and earning an income. I did not realize that the "working class" was only the lower tier of this group. From Wikipedia:






According to the definition above, these would not be "working class", but rather "middle class" jobs, with the possible exception of the longshoremen. This is where I had my misunderstanding. I thought police, firefighters, aircraft mechanics, and so on, were the working class. Silly me!
Well, I kind of blended blue collar in with that definition as well, of which police, fire, mechanics, etc are, but they're on the high end. They can make middle class wages, but the work is decidedly blue collar(ie they're not white collar jobs). They're a decidedly different group than a white collar worker that some of the other cities you mentioned are populated by(take Thousand Oaks for instance)
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: LA
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Is this just some rumor or is it true.
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Their website is vague, so I still dont have an answer for you.
Sorry.

I have found the ethnic stores often have the best prices. And Food for Less is the cheapest overall, if you need to shop once for everything.

Good luck!
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Way on the outskirts of LA LA land.
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Well, I kind of blended blue collar in with that definition as well, of which police, fire, mechanics, etc are, but they're on the high end. They can make middle class wages, but the work is decidedly blue collar(ie they're not white collar jobs). They're a decidedly different group than a white collar worker that some of the other cities you mentioned are populated by(take Thousand Oaks for instance)
I guess that's what I did, too. I equated "blue collar" with "working class" though I guess they're not universally synonymous. I think Thousand Oaks is mixed, because everyone that I know that lives there is a blue collar worker, or was when they moved there. I know a few folks that live there that are now in middle management, but that came from a blue collar background.
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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Sylmar is considered a ghetto in comparison to the cities you mentioned.
Working class neighborhood is PC for ghetto.
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Working class neighborhood is PC for ghetto.
So I've been told.
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Old 07-25-2010, 12:09 AM
 
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Their website is vague, so I still dont have an answer for you.
Sorry.

I have found the ethnic stores often have the best prices. And Food for Less is the cheapest overall, if you need to shop once for everything.

Good luck!
They're to open in Sylmar in September!:-)
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