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View Poll Results: Do you agree with this plan for Louisiana?
Absolutley! 3 17.65%
I like it. 0 0%
A bit extreme. 2 11.76%
I do not agree with any of this! 12 70.59%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-19-2011, 06:03 AM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Maybe if we all just stop responding to this nonsense , the OP will take his toys and go home . I guess I'll get reported for that . Whatever .
What nonsense? After much careful thought, I have decided to volunteer for conscription in L'Grand'Armie d'la'Republique. If the French is off there, it's because the army didn't exist until I created it. Either join us in pillaging, or get out of the way. We won't have any pikers in the Republique. No, siree.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Ville de La Nouvelle-Orléans
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What nonsense? After much careful thought, I have decided to volunteer for conscription in L'Grand'Armie d'la'Republique. If the French is off there, it's because the army didn't exist until I created it. Either join us in pillaging, or get out of the way. We won't have any pikers in the Republique. No, siree.
Thank you.
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Ville de La Nouvelle-Orléans
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You can show this to as many administrators and moderators as you want, we are not breaking rules. I asked questions, you answered them, I expressed my concerns and opinions. You want to create a country, what I have shown you is the easiest form of opposition this campaign will face. Get used to it if you plan to take this further.

You need to work on your presentation before you begin something like this. It's not our fault. I don't want Louisiana to turn into some kind of commonwealth or small dependent country.
If you disagree with this campaign and what we stand for then leave this forum and don't come back, you contiue to come back and make remarks for no reason, even after you have been asked to stop, no ones making you come here, read, and then rudly make false comments on how you you dissaprove.

We have nothing against you asking questions, yet unlike what you claim you have not just asked questions, you have made up things, which would result in one of our OPL's to expailn to you otherwise.

One more time and I will report you actions.****
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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If you disagree with this campaign and what we stand for then leave this forum and don't come back, you contiue to come back and make remarks for no reason, even after you have been asked to stop, no ones making you come here, read, and then rudly make false comments on how you you dissaprove.

We have nothing against you asking questions, yet unlike what you claim you have not just asked questions, you have made up things, which would result in one of our OPL's to expailn to you otherwise.

One more time and I will report you actions.****
Learn the rules first.
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Likely hood of this succeeding is about the same as when Quebec tried to separate from Canada.

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Well, they actually came pretty close last time. It's not as half-baked and remote a possibility as you make it sound.

Quebec referendum, 1995 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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Well, they actually came pretty close last time. It's not as half-baked and remote a possibility as you make it sound.

Quebec referendum, 1995 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Understand the context, though. This was directly after the failed Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords which angered les francophones extensively. In addition to that, they had TWO popular leaders, Lucien Bouchard federally was the leader of Bloc Québécois... and Jacques Parizeau provincially who was the Premier of Québec and leader of Parti Québécois... both parties are sovereigntist parties to this day. The former of the two was EXCEPTIONALLY popular and was the leader of the "Oui" side of the referendum... he was also able to gather sympathy votes after Bouchard's brush with death in December 1994.

Also the wording of the referendum was called into question as confusing:

Acceptez-vous que le Québec devienne souverain, après avoir offert formellement au Canada un nouveau partenariat économique et politique, dans le cadre du projet de loi sur l'avenir du Québec et de l'entente signée le 12 juin 1995?

Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?

Many saw it as asking if voters wanted Québec to try a more autonomous association with Canada FIRST... then if that didn't work, become sovereign (which was what the 1980 referendum asked).... except that this question is actually asking if Québec should become sovereign now...noting that Québec had already tried the idea of an association.


Basically, a perfect storm gathered at that time for the Oui side to have their best possible showing.

Since then, support for sovereignty has declined dramatically... especially this past year. In May, Bloc Québécois was wiped out in federal elections going from having 47 of 75 Québec ridings to only 4 while losing over half of their popular vote... replaced by the federalist NDP. Many think a major reason that this occurred, among other things, was the provincial Parti Québécois annual convention that occurred in the middle of the campaign period where Pauline Marois, leader of PQ and the Opposition Leader in Québec, achieved enormous support for the continuation of her leadership after the party endorsed a major putsch for near authoritarian enforcing of language laws and support for another sovereignty referendum if they were to come to power next year.

In the weeks that followed the federal election, the PQ tried to distance itself from wanting to hold a sovereignty referendum and instead, tried to say that their focus was only on improving Québec's economy for now. That, along with a few other major missteps, has led to an enormous dwindling of support for the PQ as well as two major schisms within the party that has now resulted in multiple members leaving the caucus in l'Assemblée Nationale... a new party for hardcore soverigntists... Option Nationale... which will not abandon their cause... and another new, very populist party... Coalition pour l'avenir du Québec... which supports solidfying the fundamentals of Québec society without having a discussion on Québec soveriengty.

In recent opinion polls for the 2012 election, PQ looks like it will be effectively destroyed, and CAQ looks to take an overwhelming victory.
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Understand the context, though. This was directly after the failed Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords which angered les francophones extensively. In addition to that, they had TWO popular leaders, Lucien Bouchard federally was the leader of Bloc Québécois... and Jacques Parizeau provincially who was the Premier of Québec and leader of Parti Québécois... both parties are sovereigntist parties to this day. The former of the two was EXCEPTIONALLY popular and was the leader of the "Oui" side of the referendum... he was also able to gather sympathy votes after Bouchard's brush with death in December 1994.

Also the wording of the referendum was called into question as confusing:

Acceptez-vous que le Québec devienne souverain, après avoir offert formellement au Canada un nouveau partenariat économique et politique, dans le cadre du projet de loi sur l'avenir du Québec et de l'entente signée le 12 juin 1995?

Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?

Many saw it as asking if voters wanted Québec to try a more autonomous association with Canada FIRST... then if that didn't work, become sovereign (which was what the 1980 referendum asked).... except that this question is actually asking if Québec should become sovereign now...noting that Québec had already tried the idea of an association.


Basically, a perfect storm gathered at that time for the Oui side to have their best possible showing.

Since then, support for sovereignty has declined dramatically... especially this past year. In May, Bloc Québécois was wiped out in federal elections going from having 47 of 75 Québec ridings to only 4 while losing over half of their popular vote... replaced by the federalist NDP. Many think a major reason that this occurred, among other things, was the provincial Parti Québécois annual convention that occurred in the middle of the campaign period where Pauline Marois, leader of PQ and the Opposition Leader in Québec, achieved enormous support for the continuation of her leadership after the party endorsed a major putsch for near authoritarian enforcing of language laws and support for another sovereignty referendum if they were to come to power next year.

In the weeks that followed the federal election, the PQ tried to distance itself from wanting to hold a sovereignty referendum and instead, tried to say that their focus was only on improving Québec's economy for now. That, along with a few other major missteps, has led to an enormous dwindling of support for the PQ as well as two major schisms within the party that has now resulted in multiple members leaving the caucus in l'Assemblée Nationale... a new party for hardcore soverigntists... Option Nationale... which will not abandon their cause... and another new, very populist party... Coalition pour l'avenir du Québec... which supports solidfying the fundamentals of Québec society without having a discussion on Québec soveriengty.

In recent opinion polls for the 2012 election, PQ looks like it will be effectively destroyed, and CAQ looks to take an overwhelming victory.
Pretty good analysis for someone who lives so far away. I live in Quebec BTW.

Regarding the Perfect Storm theory you are correct, but the Perfect Storm, where a window opens up in history, is often precisely how and when national independence happens.

Also note that right after Meech collapsed in 1990, support for independence in Quebec reached over 70% in the polls. But no referendum was held because the federalist pro-Canada Liberals were in power in Quebec at the time and would never have held one. The window in history started to slowly close after 1990, and eventually the PQ took power and organized a referendum in 1995, but the window in history closed just before indepedence could slip through.
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Old 11-22-2011, 06:12 AM
 
Location: City of Central
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Well, they actually came pretty close last time. It's not as half-baked and remote a possibility as you make it sound.
I'll go out on a limb and say that this movement will go NOWHERE . Well , except for a few internet forums maybe .
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I'll go out on a limb and say that this movement will go NOWHERE . Well , except for a few internet forums maybe .
If you look at the history, nowhere is way too strong a term, but I will say that the odds of it being successful one day are not on their side.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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If you look at the history, nowhere is way too strong a term, but I will say that the odds of it being successful one day are not on their side.
In this particular case, I would say it is exceptionally doubtful as there is no general consensus among a large group that the culture is dying/in need of imminent saving and protection like there is in Québec.
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