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Old 06-18-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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Two homicides so far this year, but it's not dangerous? Was there something special about those homicides that people should not worry about them?
Yes, both were in Shelby Park, NOT Old Louisville. Neither was random, and both were drug related. The rise in heroin and cocaine is directly related to this.

I am not saying there is not a crime problem, because there is, but for a city of 700k, it is about average.

What I am saying is there is not a RANDOM violent crime problem. It is a very rare event for an innocent citizen who does not consume drugs or prostitutes to be involved in random, violent crimes. That's a FACT.
My job is not not let people sit here and race bait people away from the urban areas. Because that's exactly what this thread is about, although no one has explicitly said it.
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Old 06-18-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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Indy has long had much more violent crime than Louisville, and still does.

Unlike Indy, Louisville has had all of ZERO homicides in downtown or its immediate neighborhoods to the east or south (old Louisville).

Meanwhile, Indy has had 3 homicides this year alone just in the mile square downtown. One in fact was in Monument Circle (would be similar to a homicide at 4th St Live), and the other was pretty darn close to Lucas Oil, and we have yet to see one in Louisville anywhere near the Yum Center.

I am not saying Louisville doe snot have its problems, but alot of this is propagated by local media, who frankly does so because they know their is a subverted fear in this community of young AA males. The fact is, almost 80% of all shootings in Louisville are black on black. Most the rest are domestic.
This is a national problem, not a Louisville problem.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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Yes, both were in Shelby Park, NOT Old Louisville. Neither was random, and both were drug related. The rise in heroin and cocaine is directly related to this.

I am not saying there is not a crime problem, because there is, but for a city of 700k, it is about average.

What I am saying is there is not a RANDOM violent crime problem. It is a very rare event for an innocent citizen who does not consume drugs or prostitutes to be involved in random, violent crimes. That's a FACT.
My job is not not let people sit here and race bait people away from the urban areas. Because that's exactly what this thread is about, although no one has explicitly said it.
I've been thinking about buying a house in Louisville for years, but one thing that makes me pause is the escalating drug problem in Kentucky and the crime typically associated with addicts. And the biggest growth in the addict population is among young and middle-aged whites. So I don't know why you claim this is about race-baiting and fear of "young AA males," unless you simply want to try to shut down any discussion of problems in the Louisville area. Some of us really do just come here looking for information.
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Old 06-21-2016, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Indy has long had much more violent crime than Louisville, and still does.

Unlike Indy, Louisville has had all of ZERO homicides in downtown or its immediate neighborhoods to the east or south (old Louisville).

Meanwhile, Indy has had 3 homicides this year alone just in the mile square downtown. One in fact was in Monument Circle (would be similar to a homicide at 4th St Live), and the other was pretty darn close to Lucas Oil, and we have yet to see one in Louisville anywhere near the Yum Center.

I am not saying Louisville doe snot have its problems, but alot of this is propagated by local media, who frankly does so because they know their is a subverted fear in this community of young AA males. The fact is, almost 80% of all shootings in Louisville are black on black. Most the rest are domestic.
This is a national problem, not a Louisville problem.
I gathered that from driving and walking around Indy (during the day time) a few months ago. Louisville appeared to be much safer. Louisville also looked newer and cleaner in the downtown area.
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Old 06-21-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I understand what Peter means, it is true that 99% of homicides involve gangs, drugs, or other illegal activities. Crime is mostly contained in non tourist areas and someone not involved in a high risk lifestyle is unlikely to be harmed. But it is still an unacceptable amount of death, especially in such a small part of town that's only 10% of the county population. Every person murdered could have been a firefighter, store manager, even doctor. Instead they end up dead at a young age, often leaving behind young children. While there are many factors (failed urban renewal policies, the war on drugs, etc) in why the West End has so many problems the core problem is a break down of the family structure. Very few children are raised in stable nuclear family environment. The leaves one person (the mom) to handle all the discipline. It also stretches money thin since 1 income is paying the bills rather than 2 incomes. I know this is a sensitive issue that many people won't talk about but the statistics on child outcomes and family structure is overwhelming. As someone who grew up in a very dysfunctional home environment I see how much more I struggle than people who grew up with 2 stable parents.
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