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Old 01-08-2017, 12:52 AM
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Focusing on users and low level dealers is like using your King and Queen to to capture your opponents pawns except for in the case of drugs the pawns are extremely easy to replace
Some of the schemes I mentioned would make the pawns much harder to replace. The pawns are the key to the whole drug market, because, without them, there wouldn't be any drug market.
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:36 PM
 
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If you have ever worked with addicts then you would find that about 60% of the men and 75% of the women are victims of physical or sexual abuse. A concentration camp doesn't really sound like the answer to me. I would guess prevention of child abuse, awareness and a better mental health system would be a start.
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:06 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Are you saying the heroin arrives in Louisville via UPS? Is Trump going to build his wall high enough to stop UPS?
Or to stop drones Mexico Drug Trafficking: Drone Carries 28 Pounds of Heroin Across Border To US
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:07 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Concentration camps are much cheaper than prisons. The inmates can eat cheap gruel. The "ton of money" would not be a problem because we would save many times more on prisons.
Concentration camps? What the heck are you talking about?
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:10 PM
 
Location: louisville
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It can be won if we finally get serious about it. 40+ years of wasting money doesn't tell us anything except that we have a tendency to waste money. People need to understand that a war needs to be fought competently to win it. Until they understand that, the money will keep getting wasted. Unless all drugs become legal, which doesn't seem likely.

If all drug users go into a big concentration camp in the desert, and we make sure no drugs can get to them, how would that not win the war on drugs? The providers of drugs would no longer have income from them. The drug business would no longer be viable. We wouldn't have to keep the drug users in the concentration camp forever. Just for the duration of the war on drugs.

Or maybe someone could invent a chemical that permanently changes your skin color to a bright cartoon color. And we could contaminate the drug supply with it. To help identify drug users, and to motivate people to stop using drugs, to keep their natural skin color.
Your posts are the most absurd I've seen in regards to the war on drugs and insulting to those of us here.
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:42 PM
 
Location: la la land
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It can be won if we finally get serious about it. 40+ years of wasting money doesn't tell us anything except that we have a tendency to waste money. People need to understand that a war needs to be fought competently to win it. Until they understand that, the money will keep getting wasted. Unless all drugs become legal, which doesn't seem likely.

If all drug users go into a big concentration camp in the desert, and we make sure no drugs can get to them, how would that not win the war on drugs? The providers of drugs would no longer have income from them. The drug business would no longer be viable. We wouldn't have to keep the drug users in the concentration camp forever. Just for the duration of the war on drugs.

Or maybe someone could invent a chemical that permanently changes your skin color to a bright cartoon color. And we could contaminate the drug supply with it. To help identify drug users, and to motivate people to stop using drugs, to keep their natural skin color.
In the first place, guards and staff are frequently involved in smuggling drugs into prisons, as long as there is money to be made there will be someone applying for that job. We have a constitution that forbids cruel and unusual punishment, so you can quit trying to sell the concentration camp with gruel and honest guard idea.

You can't wage a war on drugs, we have already spent a trillion dollars and we have not decreased supply or demand. But we can get real about the problem and decriminalize drugs. Dispense drugs to addicts in a safe environment and require that they use them there before they leave. If drug addicts are stabilized they will have more options and will probably become interested in recovery, but we need to have adequate resources for recovery, a few 12 step programs are not going to solve this. You can retain criminal penalties for people who are selling drugs or carrying more than what would be considered necessary for personal use, and decriminalization does not mean selling heroin in 7-11 either.

Most drug addicts are fully functional while using drugs, they don't generally turn into zombies or raving lunatics. It is the constant struggle to obtain drugs that leads to criminal behavior, joblessness and homelessness. You only see the poorest drug addicts, the ones on the street, getting arrested or just being obnoxious. But there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of addicts you never see or hear about because they have the money to lead fairly ordinary lives and continue their illicit drug use, their addiction is usually only revealed if they die of an overdose and it makes the news.

A few things you might not have heard about drug abuse; remember the story that was popular a few decades ago about how rats would drink water laced with drugs until they died? There was a follow up study, but it never made the news. They took the rats (who had been in single cages) and put them in rat playgrounds with other rats and lots of things to do, wheels to run in, good food etc. The rats tried the drug laced water a few times and never went back to it, it seems that socialization replaced their need for drugs, it seems that they did drugs because they were depressed and lonely.

Dr. Carl Hart (see link below) is the only researcher in the US who has been allowed to do addiction studies using actual controlled substances. He would get names of addicts from police officers and offer them money to participate in a program where they would be given free drugs. The drugs were dispensed several times a day but something funny happened, a few days into the experiment, they started offering the participants gift cards if they would forego their dose, most of them chose the gift cards at least some of the time and almost all of them reduced their drug usage considerably in order to get the gift cards. Maybe some people do drugs because life has never been about options for them, just misery?

Here are a few resources for you:

dr.carlhart - Where Drug Myths Die

Chasing the Scream | The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs

[Report] | Legalize It All, by Dan Baum | Harper's Magazine
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:47 AM
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It's a waste of time to try to convince me drugs should be legal, because I already agree they should be legal. My argument is that as long as they remain illegal, we need to enforce the laws competently. We need to destroy the market for illegal drugs. If you want to work on making drugs legal, fine, but that's no excuse to remain incompetent in the war on drugs. We need to fight to win, until such time as we actually do make drugs legal. If we had a multi-million-person concentration camp for drug users, that would not only put some competence into the war on drugs, but would also motivate making drugs legal sooner.

My main objection to drug users is that what they're doing gives money to organized crime, and helps it grow. If drugs were legal, I would no longer have that objection. But they aren't legal. So we need to put all those millions of criminal traitors in a big concentration camp, on the cheapest land we can find, and feed them the cheapest food possible, and make them work, and do whatever it takes to keep drugs out, even if that means hiring detectives to watch the guards, and more detectives to watch the detectives, etc., with very severe punishment for traitors.

The theory that we might someday make drugs legal is an absurd excuse for remaining deliberately incompetent in the war on drugs. Even if everybody agreed they should be legal, we should still fight the war on drugs competently until they actually become legal.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Louisville KY
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I'd hate to see heroin legal. I lost a friend to it in April and I refuse to lose any more. I still can't believe it, and she's always in my head.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:28 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I'd hate to see heroin legal. I lost a friend to it in April and I refuse to lose any more. I still can't believe it, and she's always in my head.
In 2016 around 1 person each day in Jefferson Co KY died due to heroin, the rate is even higher in Indiana where Clark Co looses 100 people per year.
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Old 01-10-2017, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY
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In 2016 around 1 person each day in Jefferson Co KY died due to heroin, the rate is even higher in Indiana where Clark Co looses 100 people per year.
It kills me because she was sober inJADAC was getting a home, job and daughter back. Her boyfriend did it to her, word on the street is he forced her to do it with him, cause it got him turned on. It was all over the news, cause they couldn't find her family.
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