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Traveler87 · 04-12-2008, 01:46 PM

Traveler87 · 04-12-2008, 01:55 PM

Traveler87 · 04-12-2008, 02:03 PM

Cincy's new tallest:
http://www.geocities.com/downtowndayton/Queen1.jpg

Traveler87 · 04-12-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by censusdata

Cincinnati's skyline is denser, I just think of the most of the buildings are very undistinctive. AEGON Center, Humana Building, EON, & Waterfront Place 1 & 2 are very modern and colorful.

While going into Cinci is spectacular from the KY side, you can hardly even see the skyline coming in from I-75 or I-71 in Ohio. Driving through Downtown Louisville is equally nice no matter which way you come in.

My point about Hamilton Co losing while Jefferson Co is gaining is that Louisville offers a safer and more vibrate urban living options near downtown than Cinci. Nearly all neighborhoods and even suburbs in Hamilton Co are losing population - especially middle class residents. Many of Louisville's most thriving and affluent areas are near downtown. Cinci's Ludlow Ave or Mt Adams is not even close to Louisville's Highlands or Frankfort Ave.

What are you talking about. Mason, Ohio, along with Warren County are some of the fastest growing regions in the country!!! Warren County is doing much better than Jefferson County. Cincinnati is not like other areas, Cincinnati has a decent growing metro population. Urban living? Cincinnati IMO has a much better urban living scene than Louisville. Mt. Auburn, Mt. Adams, Hyde Park, Clifton, and Mariemont all offer great urban living areas. And the skyline views on the Ohio side are just as great. You have to LOOK for them. Ever been to Mt. Adams?

Mikieo415 · 04-12-2008, 05:53 PM

The Cincinnati area as a whole is over-rated in my opinion. I don't care if you guys are fighting about the city across the river or the downtown area itself. They are all over-rated.

censusdata · 04-12-2008, 06:00 PM

There is a long history of racial tension between White and Black citizens in Cincinnati that have erupted in violence.

1829 - Riots begun by Whites to terrorize the Black community resulted in thousands of Blacks leaving for Canada, a portion of whom founded the Wilberforce Colony in Ontario.
1836 - A pro-slavery riot took place.
1841 - White Irish-descendant and Irish immigrant dock workers rioted against Black dock workers. When the Black dock workers banded together to defend their community from the approaching Whites, the White rioters retreated and then commandeered a 6-pound cannon and shot it through the streets of Cincinnati.
1967 - the first riot initiated by Blacks occurred. The incident which sparked the violence was a domestic dispute between a Black couple which had gunfire involved but turned quickly into a race riot.
1968 - After Martin Luther King Jr's death riots raged nationwide. In the riots in Cincinnati two people died.

Main article: 2001 Cincinnati Riots
After a period of 6 years, in which 15 young Black males were killed during police confrontations, and no other race or gender died, riots broke out in downtown Cincinnati. The death of Timothy Thomas occurred on the backdrop of a federal case brought against the city and police department alleging racial profiling rallying around Roger Owensby, Jr while the civil trial investigating the police involved in Owensby's death. (See also: Roger Owensby Jr Criminal Trial.) This combination is considered the catalyst for what some refer to as riots and others an uprising. The following years saw a slowing of policing in the more crime-riddled neighborhoods of Cincinnati and a spike in the murder rate, especially young Black males killing young Black males.Race relations of Cincinnati, Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

melisann · 04-12-2008, 09:45 PM

Thanks Travel87 for the defense on Cincy. I live in the greater Cincinnati area and work in downtown Cincy and find myself defending the city a lot. I am becoming familiar with Louisville as my boyfriend lives there. We are enjoying what each city has to offer. But sometimes on this board it seems very one-sided...I can take criticism of Cincinnati (I know it's not perfect, it has it's bad side, just like EVERY city). But it seems that many people from Louisville cannot handle anything negative about their city.

ddavison · 04-12-2008, 11:16 PM

I grew up mostly in Louisville and also in Shepherdsville just south of Louisville. I went to UK for college and left for Champaign, IL so my wife could pursue a PhD in her field.

Most of my experience with Louisville was as a kid/teenager or visiting as an adult. I went to Thomas Jefferson Middle school and then Moore High School with a brief jump to Jefferson Middle School for 7th /8th grade and back to Bullitt Central from my Sophomore year on. These were all public schools.

Growing Up/School-years :
I lived in the Okolona area and all the neighbors were extremely friendly with each other. The kids all played together and I really enjoyed this part of my childhood. The white and black kids got along well at school but there was still a lot of racism. This was a weird time where I had a few black friends at school but didn't think anything wrong about saying a racist joke and I believed a lot of the stereotypes. Thankfully this lessened as I got older. High school helped get me over this considerably and college did even more for me. I think the biggest issue was the ignorance of each other since blacks and whites did not live in the same neighborhoods.

When in Louisville, I was in the advanced programs. These were pretty decent, but the schools in Shepherdsville (the uneducated area) were better IMO. In the few classes I had outside of the advanced program, the teaching was atrocious. Discipline was so bad that the teachers would be physically threatened by the students and would be forced to leave the class in tears.

The perception in Louisville is that you didn't get a good education if you went to a high school other than a few of the good ones (St. Xavier, Trinity, DeSales.) Having been there, that's probably not an unfair statement. The advanced program in my school was practically cut-off from the non-advanced classes and I actually felt like I received a decent education there. I would never put my kid through the non-advanced programs though. That probably explains part of the "Where did you go to school?" question.

Welcoming to Outsiders
I've known people that moved to either Lexington or Louisville and they had bad experiences because they weren't into college basketball. College basketball dominates most of the conversations whenever I am in the area. I'm a die-hard UK fan, so I never really minded or noticed that aspect, but my wife is from Alabama and she noticed it. One guy I know went to a job interview and got asked, "How about them Cats?" He said something like, "oh, I really don't watch much basketball" and he said the interview was pretty much over at that point.

In Illinois, I seem to find more conversations dealing with world events or other cultures than I did when I was in KY. When I do have these conversations in KY, they think more in terms of stereotypes.

Thoughts about Cincinnati
I don't hear anything about Cincinnati up in Illinois, but most of what I heard when I was in KY was negative. I enjoyed going up to King's Island a lot when I was in the area but the news coverage seemed to constantly have stories about police clashing with rioters/protesters because some supposedly innocent kid got shot. It's probably a great city and deserving of some visits if I move back into the area. Hey, at least it's not Cleveland. That city IS atrocious.

What others think of Louisville and Kentucky
I don't have much of an accent, so people don't realize I'm from KY unless I pronounce Louisville for them. They all get a kick out of this, much like when someone from New Orleans pronounces their city. I've had a lot of redneck northerners espouse all sorts of stereotypes about how everyone from Kentucky is uneducated, has no teeth, no shoes and has several rusting cars parked in a field next to their house/trailer. Sure, we have some of that; however, I see just as much or more of it up here in Illinois or in places like rural NY.

What I miss most about Louisville and Kentucky in general
I have a lot of pride in Kentucky and our Southern manners. I was raised to always hold a door for a lady. When I do that in IL or elsewhere, I get a lot of appreciative comments. In KY it's probably expected so you may not get as much of a positive reaction. I never expect a reaction, so it's no big deal to me.

While there was and is racism still today, its actually less than I see up here in IL. People up here don't even make an effort to talk or socialize with anyone from another race. In Louisville, people forget any racist thoughts they harbored when they deal with each other one-on-one. In this respect, they aren't being "fake." They are genuinely nice to one another. I can't fully explain it. It's like they assign stereotypes to a whole group of people but never to an individual.

Our basketball history IS better practically everywhere else in the country so of course we're going to talk about it a lot.

I love bourbon now. For the uninitiated, bourbon can only be made in KY (much like Champagne.) That Tennessee whiskey has nothing on us.

I love mint juleps.

I love the Kentucky Derby and the whole week before it gets here.

The city looks beautiful (especially at night) when you drive across from Indiana.

I love the history and the tradition of Louisville. Settlers pushed through the Cumberland gap and stopped at the falls of the Ohio, making Louisville one of the oldest cities as far West as it is.

While I can't speak from my own perspective, my family still lives in Louisville and my sister states that the Louisville night life is booming.

I like that Louisville is large enough that whatever your hobbies or interests are, you can find plenty of places to accommodate them.

What I hate
The church cliques in Louisville. There are some beautiful churches here though.

That I can't buy one of those beautiful old houses in Shively when I move back because its in a bad neighborhood. (Please correct me if I am wrong)

The traffic

(sorry for the long post)

missymomof3 · 04-13-2008, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddavison

I grew up mostly in Louisville and also in Shepherdsville just south of Louisville. I went to UK for college and left for Champaign, IL so my wife could pursue a PhD in her field.

Most of my experience with Louisville was as a kid/teenager or visiting as an adult. I went to Thomas Jefferson Middle school and then Moore High School with a brief jump to Jefferson Middle School for 7th /8th grade and back to Bullitt Central from my Sophomore year on. These were all public schools.

Growing Up/School-years :
I lived in the Okolona area and all the neighbors were extremely friendly with each other. The kids all played together and I really enjoyed this part of my childhood. The white and black kids got along well at school but there was still a lot of racism. This was a weird time where I had a few black friends at school but didn't think anything wrong about saying a racist joke and I believed a lot of the stereotypes. Thankfully this lessened as I got older. High school helped get me over this considerably and college did even more for me. I think the biggest issue was the ignorance of each other since blacks and whites did not live in the same neighborhoods.

When in Louisville, I was in the advanced programs. These were pretty decent, but the schools in Shepherdsville (the uneducated area) were better IMO. In the few classes I had outside of the advanced program, the teaching was atrocious. Discipline was so bad that the teachers would be physically threatened by the students and would be forced to leave the class in tears.

The perception in Louisville is that you didn't get a good education if you went to a high school other than a few of the good ones (St. Xavier, Trinity, DeSales.) Having been there, that's probably not an unfair statement. The advanced program in my school was practically cut-off from the non-advanced classes and I actually felt like I received a decent education there. I would never put my kid through the non-advanced programs though. That probably explains part of the "Where did you go to school?" question.

Welcoming to Outsiders
I've known people that moved to either Lexington or Louisville and they had bad experiences because they weren't into college basketball. College basketball dominates most of the conversations whenever I am in the area. I'm a die-hard UK fan, so I never really minded or noticed that aspect, but my wife is from Alabama and she noticed it. One guy I know went to a job interview and got asked, "How about them Cats?" He said something like, "oh, I really don't watch much basketball" and he said the interview was pretty much over at that point.

In Illinois, I seem to find more conversations dealing with world events or other cultures than I did when I was in KY. When I do have these conversations in KY, they think more in terms of stereotypes.

Thoughts about Cincinnati
I don't hear anything about Cincinnati up in Illinois, but most of what I heard when I was in KY was negative. I enjoyed going up to King's Island a lot when I was in the area but the news coverage seemed to constantly have stories about police clashing with rioters/protesters because some supposedly innocent kid got shot. It's probably a great city and deserving of some visits if I move back into the area. Hey, at least it's not Cleveland. That city IS atrocious.

What others think of Louisville and Kentucky
I don't have much of an accent, so people don't realize I'm from KY unless I pronounce Louisville for them. They all get a kick out of this, much like when someone from New Orleans pronounces their city. I've had a lot of redneck northerners espouse all sorts of stereotypes about how everyone from Kentucky is uneducated, has no teeth, no shoes and has several rusting cars parked in a field next to their house/trailer. Sure, we have some of that; however, I see just as much or more of it up here in Illinois or in places like rural NY.

What I miss most about Louisville and Kentucky in general
I have a lot of pride in Kentucky and our Southern manners. I was raised to always hold a door for a lady. When I do that in IL or elsewhere, I get a lot of appreciative comments. In KY it's probably expected so you may not get as much of a positive reaction. I never expect a reaction, so it's no big deal to me.

While there was and is racism still today, its actually less than I see up here in IL. People up here don't even make an effort to talk or socialize with anyone from another race. In Louisville, people forget any racist thoughts they harbored when they deal with each other one-on-one. In this respect, they aren't being "fake." They are genuinely nice to one another. I can't fully explain it. It's like they assign stereotypes to a whole group of people but never to an individual.

Our basketball history IS better practically everywhere else in the country so of course we're going to talk about it a lot.

I love bourbon now. For the uninitiated, bourbon can only be made in KY (much like Champagne.) That Tennessee whiskey has nothing on us.

I love mint juleps.

I love the Kentucky Derby and the whole week before it gets here.

The city looks beautiful (especially at night) when you drive across from Indiana.

I love the history and the tradition of Louisville. Settlers pushed through the Cumberland gap and stopped at the falls of the Ohio, making Louisville one of the oldest cities as far West as it is.

While I can't speak from my own perspective, my family still lives in Louisville and my sister states that the Louisville night life is booming.

I like that Louisville is large enough that whatever your hobbies or interests are, you can find plenty of places to accommodate them.

What I hate
The church cliques in Louisville. There are some beautiful churches here though.

That I can't buy one of those beautiful old houses in Shively when I move back because its in a bad neighborhood. (Please correct me if I am wrong)

The traffic

(sorry for the long post)

Darlin' that was a nice post. Where in Shively were you thinking of buying?

emanresu · 04-13-2008, 02:43 PM

I can't believe people are actually shocked that, on a Louisville forum, the views are slanted toward Louisville. I mean, knock me over with a feather. If everyone found Cincinnati to be superior, then there would be a mass exodus from Louisville up I 71. However, there is chocolate and vanilla in this world. So, while some may find Cincinnati to be "far superior", there is an equal contingent that would find Louisville superior. What I can't understand is the population arguments as to why Cincinnati is a better place. By that logic, Detroit would be a top 10 city to call home, but even few Michigan residents would try to throw that out there.

One general gripe about this stupid argument, though, is the attempt to call Cincinnati's waterfront "amazing". You have two stadiums, yet nothing else there. I know the Banks broke ground, but like all major projects at this point, I'll believe it when I see it. And, the "nice" park was deemed the best urban park in America. Nothing on Cincinnati's waterfront has that designation.

Additionally, you say that Louisville's population was boosted by merger, which it was, but has then continued a decline. That is a lie. That is just outright false. According to census estimates, Cincinnati (city proper) has added about 1,000 residents since 2,000 (Cincinnati city, Ohio - Population Finder - American FactFinder). Where as technically that is growth, most would say it is stagnant at best. Given Louisville's merger, it is more difficult to make a similar comparison. However, Jefferson County added 8,000 during that time period. Thus, we aren't shrinking as you'd lead everyone to believe.

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