Louisville perception

[missymomof3]

Originally Posted by basinstblues

Well, now that you mention it, Tom-O. You haven't yet cut your grass and your house could use a paint job. Why is the elderly woman with the long white hair always in the attic window warning the children from coming too close to the house? Anyway, the Romney 2008 sign on the door and the gnomes scattered around the yard are quite charming. For now.
Seriously, though, the only reason people were "knocked", was because...The initial posting was about how people in the rest of the state feel about Louisville (sounds like largely negative, which is pretty ungrateful being that our tax money is their cash cow, not to mention that Louisville is a place for them to move to and get jobs). My perspective was/is that it should be turned around as to why those outside and inside Louisville are holding the city back. I'm more bothered by those who live in Louisville that don't want things to improve and change and just want the city to stay a larger version of Mayberry. Go back and read what I said about the Mayor. Is the fact that he's trying to bring people here from Chicago and better educate some of those already here...is that a bad thing? Is that "knocking" people? He and the city council and Greater Louisville Inc. obviously feel no different than I do in that they want to bring certain kinds of people here and improve some of those already here, but I went about expressing it a whole lot differently than they do in public.

You think it is a larger version of Mayberry?? Really????

[Visvaldis]

Originally Posted by tomocox

The problem with most "civic improvement" is that it typically leads to people being worse off, crime being up, and children becoming tokens.

I have never seen "improved" or "diverse" societies better than what was. I say this as I look back at history's "improved" mistakes. Shall we remember how much better Germany was after the Hitler improvement, or what about the ideal societies of America such as New Harmony Indiana, or even Jonesville with its wonderful Kool Aide recipe.

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't want to improve, but the greatest mistake I see is the "let me be me" generation's lack of self-discipline.

The last sentence makes me very curious. What would you like to improve?

[basinstblues]

>> tomocox said: The problem with most "civic improvement" is that it typically leads to people being worse off, crime being up, and children becoming tokens. I have never seen "improved" or "diverse" societies better than what was. I say this as I look back at history's "improved" mistakes. Shall we remember how much better Germany was after the Hitler improvement, or what about the ideal societies of America such as New Harmony Indiana, or even Jonesville with its wonderful Kool Aide recipe.
This doesn't mean that we shouldn't want to improve, but the greatest mistake I see is the "let me be me" generation's lack of self-discipline.


Well, that's kind of a peculiar response, particular when the word "improve" was referring to people completing/starting a college education. You actually equate Abramson trying to bring employers, having a better educated populace, and bringing more of a mix of people to Louisville as akin to Nazi Germany or New Harmony, Indiana?! My friend, we are not even on the same page and I guess this explains your other comments.
As far as "let me be me" attitudes, I agree with you. That kind of attitude accompanying a 60% obesity rate in Louisville and that 1 out of 4 pregnant women smoke in Kentucky does certainly show a lack of self-discipline. I'm sure you didn't mean to knock "the fine people" though.

[emanresu]

Originally Posted by basinstblues

What's the point of a thread about perceptions of Louisville if the prevailing attitude is only accepting of a chamber of commerce-real estate agent- rose-colored glasses-love it or leave it-mutual backslap society-shiny happy love-fest? All opinions/experiences are anecdotal and mine is no less valid. Anyone, since this thread has started, who has said anything less than praise-worthy about Louisville has been lambasted whether their tone was polite or blunt.
I've been following this forum for the last year and a half since moving to Louisville and just now decided to post, under the assumption that people were adult enough to hear out a perspective that they might disagree with. I was hoping for a response of how and why I was wrong, at least about some aspects, but instead it's mostly "well then, move away."
Again as previously mentioned, I moved here for the potential I see in Louisville but see issues and people holding that up. I was hoping for a more life and vibrancy. How in the world is that such a big deal?

What revisionist history.

A good way to think of Louisville is of a sizable "small town", though one in which most people seem to prefer living in the suburbs to downtown. Also, for years, the best and brightest left for Chicago, etc. The result...the people generally are not the smartest, most attractive, or most interesting. I'm referring to the regular folk, not the redneck kaintock 50-cent-wannabe crowd, which are a whole 'nother story. Louisville people are B's and C's at best; these are not A quality people. You can tell the difference between the people when you walk through downtown Louisville and contrast that to the people you see when walking through downtown Chicago, San Francisco, New Orleans, etc. That said, like in a small town, people are fairly friendly, reasonable, reliable, and honest. Louisvillians don't rock the boat or make a scene. So, you basically have a middle-of-the-road mentality, with nothing too exciting or too frustrating. I'm stunned that anyone really loves to live here. It's not a city that has that kind of distinct character. Life is okay here. There are enough cultural things to do, parks are good, real estate slowly appreciates, and people from around the country/world are beginning to move here. A more diverse populace and one that has actually lived elsewhere ought to improve Louisville. Anyone moving here now would be foolish to buy a house more than 5 miles away from downtown. That's where the movement locally/nationally is going with real estate. In another 10 years, downtown is going to be transformed and suburban sprawlville is going to be increasingly undesirable.

You're original post offered no true critique of Louisville, or how to improve it. The post is a unilateral attack on "all citizens" of Louisville as not being up to your particular grade. You have quotes such as, "I'm stunned that anyone rally loves to live here" and "the people generally are not the smartest, most attractive, or most interesting...Louisville people are B's and C's at best; these are not A quality people." Oh, but by all means, let's have an "adult" conversation about this city's shortcomings. I mean, who wouldn't want to have a conversation with you.

Contrary to your popular belief, many people love living in Louisville. People who have lived all over know that nearly every city contains people of all walks: highly educated, attractive people to indigent people who "smoke while they're pregnant". But, given the comparisons to other cities on here, I'm guessing you don't get out much. I don't want you to leave Louisville. I think it's great when anyone decides to make Louisville their home. Every person adds something to the equation. But, I think you need to leave to gain some perspective on what is out there, and how that relates to life. Good luck! I hope you can find plenty of adult conversations by throwing out third-grade insults.

[missymomof3]

Originally Posted by emanresu

What revisionist history.



You're original post offered no true critique of Louisville, or how to improve it. The post is a unilateral attack on "all citizens" of Louisville as not being up to your particular grade. You have quotes such as, "I'm stunned that anyone rally loves to live here" and "the people generally are not the smartest, most attractive, or most interesting...Louisville people are B's and C's at best; these are not A quality people." Oh, but by all means, let's have an "adult" conversation about this city's shortcomings. I mean, who wouldn't want to have a conversation with you.

Contrary to your popular belief, many people love living in Louisville. People who have lived all over know that nearly every city contains people of all walks: highly educated, attractive people to indigent people who "smoke while they're pregnant". But, given the comparisons to other cities on here, I'm guessing you don't get out much. I don't want you to leave Louisville. I think it's great when anyone decides to make Louisville their home. Every person adds something to the equation. But, I think you need to leave to gain some perspective on what is out there, and how that relates to life. Good luck! I hope you can find plenty of adult conversations by throwing out third-grade insults.

Great post!

[tomocox]

Improve? What do I want to improve? Well, first lets start with our personal responsibilities. I messed up, I made mistakes in my life and career. It's not society's fault, nor GWB's, Hillary's, Bills, or Jimmy Carter's fault, it was my choices and I pay dearly, but it's not your fault, it's only mine. The plantation owner mentality of politics and the Uncle Tom's of every society, black, white, hispanic, Asian, that plague our nation. Let Mayor J bring his jobs, but you can't have one unless you earn it. Let's recognize that every faith teaches love and respect for one another, and then let's live by our faith. Because I despise racial politics doesn't mean I dislike people born of a particular race.

I want to improve the media by firing the wacko's that don't understand the difference between an opinion page and the front page.

I want to improve the courts by denying lawyers who couldn't practice the law without personal ambition out-weighing the rights of victims access to the bar (both sides of the bar).

I want to improve business by being sure we sell our clients and customers value, not pigs in a poke.

Yes, there is room for improvement, but not by kicking people down or pushing them up, but rather by giving them a hand, a pat on the back, and as Ronald Reagan said, let's teach them to fish rather than giving them a fish.

[missymomof3]

Originally Posted by tomocox

Improve? What do I want to improve? Well, first lets start with our personal responsibilities. I messed up, I made mistakes in my life and career. It's not society's fault, nor GWB's, Hillary's, Bills, or Jimmy Carter's fault, it was my choices and I pay dearly, but it's not your fault, it's only mine. The plantation owner mentality of politics and the Uncle Tom's of every society, black, white, hispanic, Asian, that plague our nation. Let Mayor J bring his jobs, but you can't have one unless you earn it. Let's recognize that every faith teaches love and respect for one another, and then let's live by our faith. Because I despise racial politics doesn't mean I dislike people born of a particular race.

I want to improve the media by firing the wacko's that don't understand the difference between an opinion page and the front page.

I want to improve the courts by denying lawyers who couldn't practice the law without personal ambition out-weighing the rights of victims access to the bar (both sides of the bar).

I want to improve business by being sure we sell our clients and customers value, not pigs in a poke.

Yes, there is room for improvement, but not by kicking people down or pushing them up, but rather by giving them a hand, a pat on the back, and as Ronald Reagan said, let's teach them to fish rather than giving them a fish.

AMEN BROTHER! I wish so much that people would just take responsibility for the things they do an be accepting of the consequences.That is something I am HEAVILY teaching my children.

[dixiegirl7]

Originally Posted by missymomof3

I must ask, who is Annie Sprinkle? I like her name!

Here is what Wikpedia says:

Annie M. Sprinkle (born Ellen F. Steinberg on July 23, 1954 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States) is a former prostitute, stripper, porn film star, cable television host, porn magazine editor and writer, and sex film producer. She received a BFA in photography from the School of Visual Arts in 1986. Currently, Sprinkle works as a performance artist and sex educator. Sprinkle, who is bisexual,[1] married her long-time partner, Beth Stephens, in Canada on January 14, 2007.[2]


She sounds lovely...lol.

[stx12499]

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