Kentucky.... specifically Louisville...south or midwest? (arena, residential, station)

[ECoast77]

Originally Posted by Davart

Here it is in a nutshell, the folk in Lu'vul think they are in the south while the bulk of the rest of the state doesn't. But being kind REAL southerns that the rest of the state is, we just humor them up there and let them think that, even though they are not. It's lot like letting your kid think their Superman ... as long as they don't get hurt, let them.
Now for those of us in the REAL SOUTHERN part of KY we know the truth, but that's ok let them think what they want it's not hurting anybody. WE just hope some of them confront reality one day.

Note to you YANKEES on Lu'vul we still like ya'll and we claim ya, just be honest as to what you really are ... midwestern, there's no shame in it and for the record you can not get anymore south in KY than I am, I can walk backwards to TN faster than you can drive a block in Lu'vul as I live in political Siberia of the far, far, far south-western end of the state.

You have a great day now, ya hear?

Now...even I will say that's a bit harsh! There are definitely Southerners in Louisville, just like there are Southerners in Kenton County, and they would resent being called "Yankees." In the same light, those of us from or with families from Louisville and who consider ourselves as Northerners find it idiotic that some people think this city is Southern just because it's south of a certain river. Give me a break. I can travel to most of the rest of KY and the people sound like they're from another country or something.

But with that being said and as my last note in this thread, I still stand firmly in my position that Louisville is not a Southern city culturally, but rather one of the Lower Midwest with a substantial Southern undercurrent. People will never agree on that point, though, regardless of how many polls we have.

[Louisvilleslugger]

Originally Posted by ECoast77

Now...even I will say that's a bit harsh! There are definitely Southerners in Louisville, just like there are Southerners in Kenton County, and they would resent being called "Yankees." In the same light, those of us from or with families from Louisville and who consider ourselves as Northerners find it idiotic that some people think this city is Southern just because it's south of a certain river. Give me a break. I can travel to most of the rest of KY and the people sound like they're from another country or something.

But with that being said and as my last note in this thread, I still stand firmly in my position that Louisville is not a Southern city culturally, but rather one of the Lower Midwest with a substantial Southern undercurrent. People will never agree on that point, though, regardless of how many polls we have.

Even though this poll was rigged I certainly can respect your point

[ECoast77]

Originally Posted by Louisvilleslugger

Even though this poll was rigged I certainly can respect your point

Jesus, get over yourself and move on!! There is more to life than your constant attempts to prove that Louisville is a bastion of Dixie on Internet bulletin boards. You go around soliciting random users to vote the way you want them to vote, and when the outcome is still not how YOU want it to be, it has to be some grand conspiracy because other people don't see things a la Louisvilleslugger! So who exactly was the one trying to "rig" things here? You used the exact same tactics during the Wikipedia discussions, and likely have in other ones as well. Had this poll turned out 53% Southern/47% Midwestern, you wouldn't be saying anything right now - you'd probably be boasting about how those of us who view the city as Midwestern are a bunch of idiots.

Polls like this are silly, anyhow, because they're not statistically scientific and they allow people who have never been anywhere near Kentucky/Louisville to voice their opinions as equals to long-time Louisvillians.

[Louisvilleslugger]

[quote=ECoast77;788571]Jesus, get over yourself and move on!!

You go around soliciting random users to vote the way you want them to vote, and when the outcome is still not how YOU want it to be, it has to be some grand conspiracy because other people don't see things a la Louisvilleslugger!

LOL answer this question does the sudden huge shift in votes in the poll that was almost unanimously stating this city is Southern, came within the last daylight hours of the last of the four days this poll was alive seem just odd? Does it also seem odd that of those 20 voters that suddenly and unanimously voted Midwestern not a single voter left a single post to back their position (unlike the earlier Southern voters) It's just common sense that this poll was rigged!

So who exactly was the one trying to "rig" things here?

After I caught wind of what was going on, you're right I did recruit votes (passed the 23 mark). If evening the odds is wrong then sue me

Had this poll turned out 53% Southern/47% Midwestern, you wouldn't be saying anything right now - you'd probably be boasting about how those of us who view the city as Midwestern are a bunch of idiots.

Even with that majority I would still have been highly suspicious and I would have announced my suspicions that such a turn around came within the last hours of this polls lifespan. LOL I mean you can say whatever, But you know it only makes sense.

You used the exact same tactics during the Wikipedia discussions, and likely have in other ones as well.

The only other poll regarding this subject was on skyscrapercity around 2005, and the poll was over before I was even a member of the forum. That poll was about the same as this one before the big switcharoo to the Kentucky sub-forum from the general U.S.

The history on you and Steve's pages show that the both of you agreed to enter the debate against my opinion before I reached out for help. When I caught wind of this I called on just two other editors who shared my views. So whatever!

[stx12499]

[quote=Louisvilleslugger;788880]

Originally Posted by ECoast77

Jesus, get over yourself and move on!!



LOL answer this question does the sudden huge shift in votes in the poll that was almost unanimously stating this city is Southern, came within the last daylight hours of the last of the four days this poll was alive seem just odd? Does it also seem odd that of those 20 voters that suddenly and unanimously voted Midwestern not a single voter left a single post to back their position (unlike the earlier Southern voters) It's just common sense that this poll was rigged!



After I caught wind of what was going on, you're right I did recruit votes (passed the 23 mark). If evening the odds is wrong then sue me



Even with that majority I would still have been highly suspicious and I would have announced my suspicions that such a turn around came within the last hours of this polls lifespan. LOL I mean you can say whatever, But you know it only makes sense.



The only other poll regarding this subject was on skyscrapercity around 2005, and the poll was over before I was even a member of the forum. That poll was about the same as this one before the big switcharoo to the Kentucky sub-forum from the general U.S.

The history on you and Steve's pages show that the both of you agreed to enter the debate against my opinion before I reached out for help. When I caught wind of this I called on just two other editors who shared my views. So whatever!

If I continue to see this type of bantering and such odd behavior like recruiting votes from other SE forums (I have receieved several complaints via PM), it will mean a ban for all involved. I am not sure what differences you and Steve had but you guys need to take up this debate outside these forums, please. Period. Slugger, you are knowledgeable and I appreciate your views, but really this board is not meant for arguing or crusading for Louisville being southern and then singling out people who don't agree. Slugger, I want you to stay around because you have such a great knowledge of the history of Louisville, and I like reading about it. I have not noticed anyone else pointing fingers and accusing about things being rigged, or recruiting votes. If anyone has knowledge of this stuff, please PM me.

Some people do not think Louisville is southern, and some do not think it is a nice city. You can provide them evidence to the contrary, but try not to single anyone out and argue. Also, I will not tolerate anymore pointing fingers and accusations against people by anyone. I really like these boards because we tend away from debates or city vs city type of stuff. Its fine to disagree and I do it all the time, but try to do it in a civil way. Let's keep it that way, and consider this a final warning for everyone. These boards are meant mainly so people can learn the truth about how residents and those who have relocated view cities (and also to get factual information). Bottom line for all posters here: you argue, you point fingers after warning, you are banned.

[Louisvilleslugger]

[quote=stx12499;789294]

Originally Posted by Louisvilleslugger

If I continue to see this type of bantering and such odd behavior like recruiting votes from other SE forums (I have receieved several complaints via PM), it will mean a ban for all involved. I am not sure what differences you and Steve had but you guys need to take up this debate outside these forums, please. Period. Slugger, you are knowledgeable and I appreciate your views, but really this board is not meant for arguing or crusading for Louisville being southern and then singling out people who don't agree. Slugger, I want you to stay around because you have such a great knowledge of the history of Louisville, and I like reading about it. I have not noticed anyone else pointing fingers and accusing about things being rigged, or recruiting votes. If anyone has knowledge of this stuff, please PM me.

Some people do not think Louisville is southern, and some do not think it is a nice city. You can provide them evidence to the contrary, but try not to single anyone out and argue. Also, I will not tolerate anymore pointing fingers and accusations against people by anyone. I really like these boards because we tend away from debates or city vs city type of stuff. Its fine to disagree and I do it all the time, but try to do it in a civil way. Let's keep it that way, and consider this a final warning for everyone. These boards are meant mainly so people can learn the truth about how residents and those who have relocated view cities (and also to get factual information). Bottom line for all posters here: you argue, you point fingers after warning, you are banned.

Forgive me if I'm being a bit abrasive, But with common sense involved you have to admit that something fishy has happened with this poll! I posted another comment about the topic on the general U.S. forum a fe minutes ago, if no one respnds to it I'll drop the topic unless it's brought up again.

For a minute though I felt as though you were singling me out when Eastcoast responded to my post. Forgive me if somehow I have offended anyone.

[stx12499]

[quote=Louisvilleslugger;789385]

Originally Posted by stx12499

Forgive me if I'm being a bit abrasive, But with common sense involved you have to admit that something fishy has happened with this poll! I posted another comment about the topic on the general U.S. forum a fe minutes ago, if no one respnds to it I'll drop the topic unless it's brought up again.

For a minute though I felt as though you were singling me out when Eastcoast responded to my post. Forgive me if somehow I have offended anyone.

I never watched the poll that closely, but does it really mean anything? If I saw it being rigged I would have removed it, and so would the other moderators (but why would anyone even care so much to even do such a thing???). It is not the most scientific poll if you ask me anyways, as it follows no random statistical analysis! I suspect what happened is that people in the USA forums know very little about Louisville except that it is in KY, and many people consider KY to be south. It was then moved to the KY forums where many people from small towns especially consider Louisville to be a Midwestern city with northern attitudes and rude people (which is not true IMO but it is many people's opinions). So I suspect many people from rural KY (as well as many Louisvillians) voted for it being Midwestern.

There is no right or wrong answer here, as south and north are not a factual thing in 2007. The Civil War was so long ago that I am not sure how much bearing it has on current situations, otherwise Louisville would still be one of the largest cities in the country as it was in the Civil War era. Yet you don't hear people say, Louisville was larger than LA in 1860 and had a greater urban housing stock, so its a larger and more urban city today!

In conclusion, I think the fact that we even have these polls proves Louisville is a border city and a mix. 25% of its metro resides in Indiana anyways. I have never seen a poll asking if Birmingham was southern or not...

[Louisvilleslugger]

[quote=stx12499;789741][quote=Louisvilleslugger;789385]

I suspect what happened is that people in the USA forums know very little about Louisville except that it is in KY, and many people consider KY to be south. It was then moved to the KY forums where many people from small towns especially consider Louisville to be a Midwestern city with northern attitudes and rude people (which is not true IMO but it is many people's opinions). So I suspect many people from rural KY (as well as many Louisvillians) voted for it being Midwestern.

Even with that explanation, why are the post on this topic in no way shape or form corresponding with the polls findings? You must take another thing into consideration, the Kentucky Sub Forum is relatively dead when compared to the general U.S. forum. With that said it took 3 days for the poll in the U.S. forum ( the liveliest of all) to gain 27 votes within the entire poll. But when it was relocated into the Kentucky forum, it actually gained two Southern votes between 12 and 4pm. Now between 4 and 9 pm a sudden surge of over 20 votes unaimously voting Midwestern, can only sugguest one thing. Not to mention that not one of the voters left a comment backing their decision, which was the opposite of what the Southern voters did. Keep in mind this happened in the slow paced Kentucky forum. Again I'm not the only person who finds this fishy.

In conclusion, I think the fact that we even have these polls proves Louisville is a border city and a mix.

It proves we are a mixed city.

25% of its metro resides in Indiana anyways.

Despite that the cultural mecca of the area is below the Mason Dixon Line (Louisville). It has also been shown that Southern Indiana has a strong Southern element.

[stx12499]

[quote=Louisvilleslugger;789782][quote=stx12499;789741]

Originally Posted by Louisvilleslugger

Even with that explanation, why are the post on this topic in no way shape or form corresponding with the polls findings? You must take another thing into consideration, the Kentucky Sub Forum is relatively dead when compared to the general U.S. forum. With that said it took 3 days for the poll in the U.S. forum ( the liveliest of all) to gain 27 votes within the entire poll. But when it was relocated into the Kentucky forum, it actually gained two Southern votes between 12 and 4pm. Now between 4 and 9 pm a sudden surge of over 20 votes unaimously voting Midwestern, can only sugguest one thing. Not to mention that not one of the voters left a comment backing their decision, which was the opposite of what the Southern voters did. Keep in mind this happened in the slow paced Kentucky forum. Again I'm not the only person who finds this fishy.



It proves we are a mixed city.



Despite that the cultural mecca of the area is below the Mason Dixon Line (Louisville). It has also been shown that Southern Indiana has a strong Southern element.

There is no way to rig one of these polls, and none of the moderators would ever do such a thing (or even care to)! If anything, I have noted several forumers who you sent PM messages and coaxed them to vote for Louisville being southern. Honestly, I have not seen a person on here who would even care enough to do such a thing. Two of the people you PM'ed sent me personal complaints via PM, as they have no interest in receiving such spam mail. Such behavior is borderline troll, and all trolls are banned. I have been lenient, but this is it. I suggest you just drop this stuff. Thank you.

[missymomof3]

hmmm.. how come the other poll is going so slow?