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do you even know what you said in that post? i see a shot in the arm of reality makes you dizzy.
Yep, know very well what I said. My shot in the arm came a little more than a decade ago and it did a heck of a lot more than make me dizzy. Dizzy would have would have been welcomed in comparison to the experience. However the knowledge I walked away with can never be replaced and is a lesson learned no matter how hard it was to bite that bullet.
Last edited by pickleswanson; 11-25-2008 at 06:38 PM..
I agree....
We have a couple of Columbus glee club members on here who just cannot grasp the realities of their community either..
Well I guess if had ever had any interest in Columbus I could spout all kinds of things about it. Fact of the matter remains that I have no interest now and not likely to ever have any interest in Columbus. Besides you push it like a bad telemarketer; always calling just when I've sat down to a meal or refuses to to stick a sock in it until I've flushed the toilet just realizing no one was listening or cared.
It isn't because I dislike Columbus, I just simply have no use for it. It too has loads of potential but is for someone other than me to explore or care about. You seem to do a good enough job ranting on about it no matter how random your statements seem or how many times they repeat themselves. My experiences or perhaps lack thereof leave my commentary short when speaking about it. I hope it does well as I do for the rest of GA and the rest of the US as far as that goes but I have no personal interest in it. Plain as day, the fact has been made.
Well I guess if had ever had any interest in Columbus I could spout all kinds of things about it. Fact of the matter remains that I have no interest now and not likely to ever have any interest in Columbus. Besides you push it like a bad telemarketer; always calling just when I've sat down to a meal or refuses to to stick a sock in it until I've flushed the toilet just realizing no one was listening or cared.
It isn't because I dislike Columbus, I just simply have no use for it. It too has loads of potential but is for someone other than me to explore or care about. You seem to do a good enough job ranting on about it no matter how random your statements seem or how many times they repeat themselves. My experiences or perhaps lack thereof leave my commentary short when speaking about it. I hope it does well as I do for the rest of GA and the rest of the US as far as that goes but I have no personal interest in it. Plain as day, the fact has been made.
Now that's funny. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha and ha! Courier23, your turn.
from what i gathered, you're saying citizens can simply demand tall buildings and they will happen? stop me if i'm wrong, i just had a little trouble following what you were trying to say. and you were trying to say something about possible political powers stopping it?
anyway, if that is indeed what you were trying to say, i think you are very wrong. it has to make economic sense and i just don't see that in macon right now. i need to stop here and make it clear i'm not a "macon hater" or against any positive growth in our fine georgia cities; i'm not a pessimist, i just try to think rationally and put myself in the position of the developers in macon. i don't think you could justify the high leasing costs of such a space in macon right now. its coming, but i think it will be at least 10 years (and even then, we won't be seeing a massive building boom of large buildings; maybe 4 to 5 in the 20-25 floor range). if someone started planning one today, it would be another 4 years before ground-breaking would take place. you need a clear plan in place for the building, and then depending on costs, you need a certain percentage of that space leased out to guarantee you'll at least break even. its not this way everywhere, but in a place like macon where this could be a risky investment (yes, risky), you need to make sure the tenants are in place before building instead of the "if you build it, they will come" mentality. macon might be a good place for a nice 15 story mixed-use development right now. i think just the excitement of it would draw tenants, but to go on a tall building spree would be plain mad. also, i need to point out that this is excluding hotels; i'm only talking about professional, retail, and residential structures. macon is at 85% urban right now and a little higher population density than macon currently has to make these things economically feasible. from yerocal's information it seems as though people are definitely trying to build it up, which is a good and exciting thing, but these things take time. talking it up and asking for these developments certainly doesn't hurt as it lets potential developers and tenants know there is some interest in it, so don't think i'm trying to suppress the conversation; i guess i'm just trying to say don't be too disappointed if they don't happen right away.
No not entirely wrong but to a certain extent. In many ways yes public outcry is a driving force just not the sole factor. My apologies if I appear to be portraying such.
The best answer I can give you without explaining all the details is that a plan from Macon is what is missing. Back in the 70's when expansion all but completely stopped, an administration took over that was scared to allow anything to occur there. In the late 80's interest really began to pick back up for development in Macon. Many good ideas have been proposed that Macon shot down because of a fear of transfer of power from existing money to new money. In many cases they had every right to be fearful of some of the developers that were solely fly by night.
The plans do not need to be solely for the buildings themselves. A master plan needs to be set into place for development there as a guide for anything that comes into town and should collaborate well with the County's plan. It can only be used as a guide though and must change as it needs change. This is currently not in place and this is what has stopped the growth from occurring in many of the forms discussed so far.
Over the past 2 decades plans for large scale developments that would have totally changed the face Macon have simply slipped out of its grasp because of a serious lack of planning and fear. While there in Macon I personally saw plans for structures with more than enough economic backing turned down. I personally worked a large master plan for Macon's North and East side.
Overall approximately 90 corporations have been turned away because the then current admin did not know how to handle the situation and was not equipped to make appropriate suggestions or decisions in order to keep what could have been easily had. Keeping growth out can be detrimental to a community and explosive growth can be too. It has to be managed properly.
High rise buildings have been proposed several times for Macon some were a complete loss for Macon to miss out on while others really needed not ever be presented. These buildings varied in heights about as much as buildings can vary with the tallest structures being 83 stories at 747 feet. These 2 particular structures were far from risky with all of the economic and infrastructure support that was going to be brought with them. Others were as simple a series of small multi-story office complexes consisting of 3-15 stories that lacked any meaningfully good for the community with few tenants and few job offerings and were rightfully ignored.
The plans for buildings and businesses are, were or have been there. Now Macon is swimming against the current to correct its mistakes. Those same corporations built else where and those chances are simply lost. Unless a truly proactive admin with community backed support is made it will be more than 4 years as stated.
Haha I know, let's see if he responds. His credibility gets less and less every time he opens his mouth. Like JLA said, it's your turn.
By the way, good post pickleswanson. I respect your opinion.
Good post Pickles but I think your lengthy replies could be more to the point........lol
Jokes are somewhat stale as well.
As far as interest goes the same could be said for California.
You better just stay where you are.
Last edited by Courier23; 11-26-2008 at 08:38 AM..
No not entirely wrong but to a certain extent. In many ways yes public outcry is a driving force just not the sole factor. My apologies if I appear to be portraying such.
The best answer I can give you without explaining all the details is that a plan from Macon is what is missing. Back in the 70's when expansion all but completely stopped, an administration took over that was scared to allow anything to occur there. In the late 80's interest really began to pick back up for development in Macon. Many good ideas have been proposed that Macon shot down because of a fear of transfer of power from existing money to new money. In many cases they had every right to be fearful of some of the developers that were solely fly by night.
The plans do not need to be solely for the buildings themselves. A master plan needs to be set into place for development there as a guide for anything that comes into town and should collaborate well with the County's plan. It can only be used as a guide though and must change as it needs change. This is currently not in place and this is what has stopped the growth from occurring in many of the forms discussed so far.
Over the past 2 decades plans for large scale developments that would have totally changed the face Macon have simply slipped out of its grasp because of a serious lack of planning and fear. While there in Macon I personally saw plans for structures with more than enough economic backing turned down. I personally worked a large master plan for Macon's North and East side.
Overall approximately 90 corporations have been turned away because the then current admin did not know how to handle the situation and was not equipped to make appropriate suggestions or decisions in order to keep what could have been easily had. Keeping growth out can be detrimental to a community and explosive growth can be too. It has to be managed properly.
High rise buildings have been proposed several times for Macon some were a complete loss for Macon to miss out on while others really needed not ever be presented. These buildings varied in heights about as much as buildings can vary with the tallest structures being 83 stories at 747 feet. These 2 particular structures were far from risky with all of the economic and infrastructure support that was going to be brought with them. Others were as simple a series of small multi-story office complexes consisting of 3-15 stories that lacked any meaningfully good for the community with few tenants and few job offerings and were rightfully ignored.
The plans for buildings and businesses are, were or have been there. Now Macon is swimming against the current to correct its mistakes. Those same corporations built else where and those chances are simply lost. Unless a truly proactive admin with community backed support is made it will be more than 4 years as stated.
okay, i understand a little better what you are saying now; and that does make sense.
Unless a truly proactive admin with community backed support is made it will be more than 4 years as stated.
I think Macon's new and current admin is going to bring that back to Macon and will push forth every efforts to get it done.....
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