I Hate Madison... (Milwaukee, Racine, Waukesha: low crime, neighborhood, high school)

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by Chelito23

Madison is certainly not everybody's cup of tea, but you come across as angry because Madison isn't what some people think it is. Why does this matter to you since you don't live here or even like the place?

And trust me, nobody in Madison aspires to be like Milwaukee. Maybe Minneapolis (in their dreams), but not Milwaukee. Also, many of your assumptions about Madison are stereotypes that people from major cities have, and Milwaukee is no major city compared to Chicago...it is like a big version of Madison. So why the blind assumptions and over generalizations? The base of what you wrote is true, but you come across as less credible when you exagerate on all fronts about the "truths".

I think it is fine you don't like Madison for what it isn't, but if you looked at it for what it is, you might come across as more informative and helpful to people reading and trying to find out what the city is like.

Wrong. Chicagos like a big version of Milwaukee!

You like tailgaiting outside soldier field before a Bears game, with polish sausage?

Fine, nothing wrong with that at all. Just don't tell me you are more cultured than Milwaukee.

Yes, yes, I know the skyline, museums, etc. I love it too, its great, just stop with the "center of the universe" mentality.

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by MILWCITY

After many trips to Madison and meeting people from Madison and just listening to people talk who are from Madison I have come to the conclusion that I hate Madison and the people. Every time I went to Madison to have a good time my options are red cup parties or State street which is college city. As a 25yr old male looking for a classy club, lounge or cigar bar I have no choice but to take a loss on the night and drive back to the Mil. The people in Madison are so full of themselves and why?

So Lets get this straight
-200,000 people in Madison
-1 county in metro Madison
-400,000 country and suburbs and madison combined.
-Does madison even have suburbs?
-Madison has no nightlife, you won't run into any celebs here.
-8 suburbs, not 51 like Milwaukee.
-No traffic problems so why do you even have a traffic report?
-No Pro sports teams
-No skyscrapers
-No Million dollar condos
-Do you have an airport? or do you still fly out of Milwaukee still?
-Not diverse and too many of one political party.
-No unique neighborhoods it all looks the same.
-The only entertainment area is downtown not different neighborhoods.
-1 homicide in 5yrs and the whole town goes into a panic.
-Do people from Chicago come up to Madison for a weekend for a good time...no.
-You drive too slow
-No good restaurants
-No international neighborhoods(Russian, Polish, Serbian, Jewish)
-Face it, your not a big city so stop trying act like you live in one, 5 mins and your out in cornfields.

I'm sick of Madison trying to compete or even compare itself to Milwaukee, that's like Milwaukee trying to compare itself to Chicago. Which in fairness Milw is more like Chicago than Madison is like Milw.

Do you agree or why do you disagree?

Fine you don't like Madison.

Sounds like you would fit in, in Chicago. You seem to have the same mentality.

Oh, total population and total number of suburbs make a place better? Half of Chicago is a horrid ghetto, another quarter are immigrants (many of them cool) however many of them are clannish ignorant ethnics living in dumpy, armpity areas on the NW side of the city.

I'm tired of people assuming that if a place has no skyscraper its not a real city. Washington D.C. is a world class city with no skyscrapers.

Gosh size matters, huh? Sounds kind of Freudian.

Sports. I'm so sick of people thinking pro-sports teams and the aura of stadiums is anything special.

Ethnic enclaves, seriously. What do get out of an area where I'm walking around and no one speaks english, and I go into a store and people look at me like I'm from another planet. Again, don't misunderstand, I'm all for diversity, I just think enclaves where an ethnic group keeps to their own kind as really not offering me anything and contributing to what a city has to offer.

Million dollar condos!!! Are you serious. An area that is not affordable to anyone but the richest doesn't make a place great.

College towns are the best!!!!
They are centers of creativity because artsy people have plenty of Cheap and SAFE areas to live in while they write music, rehearse and things like that.

Places like Athens, GA, Burlington, VT have produced some great rock bands. Bands that might not have gotten their start in a big city that is not laid back.

In Chicago, the expensive condos have made it difficult for musicians and other starving artist types to live in Wicker Park so they have to brave the ghetto of East Humboldt Park where they might get equipment stolen.

One homicide in 5 years and you think this is a bad thing????

Go move to the west side of Chicago or Detroit then.

Cornfields 5 minutes away? This is a bad thing. Being able to ride your bike and experience nature, this is a bad thing???? For your information SW Wisconsin has hills, forests, lakes, streams, wildlife, not just cornfields.

Sorry for the rant, this just sounds so ignorant to me.

I love college towns, they are truly the best of both worlds, and I will go for a PhD just so I can have employmeny options in them. People are well EDUCATED and traveled. Whereas in big cities, suburbs, the well educated and well traveled may indeed be a minority.

I have nothing against big ciies, just the "center of the universe" mentality. And nothing against diversity. Just when they have their neighborhoods its easy to cling to their old country hillbilly mentality sometimes.

Anyways, thats it for now, I'm signing off.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

Wrong. Chicagos like a big version of Milwaukee!

You like tailgaiting outside soldier field before a Bears game, with polish sausage?

Fine, nothing wrong with that at all. Just don't tell me you are more cultured than Milwaukee.

Yes, yes, I know the skyline, museums, etc. I love it too, its great, just stop with the "center of the universe" mentality.

Stating that Chicago is a substantially more metropolitan city than Milwaukee is not a "center of the universe" mentality. It's something that anyone except a Milwaukean with an inferiority complex can readily observe and acknowledge.

[kg1701d]

-200,000 people in Madison
And Growing
-1 county in metro Madison
50 years ago it was barely a metro, thats progress
-400,000 country and suburbs and madison combined.
2nd most populous in Wisconsin
-Does madison even have suburbs?
Cleary, you mention that there is 8
-Madison has no nightlife, you won't run into any celebs here.
Do you really want to hang out with the cast of The Hills?
-8 suburbs, not 51 like Milwaukee.
See above
-No traffic problems so why do you even have a traffic report?
I'd call that a reason to like Madison
-No Pro sports teams
The Badgers aren't enough and Miller Park is less than an hour away
-No skyscrapers
Its a city ordinance to keep the city beautiful
-No Million dollar condos
Everyone loves outrageous living expenses right?
-Do you have an airport? or do you still fly out of Milwaukee still?
Dane County Regional is one of the nicest, fastest, easiest airports in the country
-Not diverse and too many of one political party.
Because there is a lot of diversity in Wisconsin?
-No unique neighborhoods it all looks the same.
Anyone who has actually been around Madison knows thats not true
-1 homicide in 5yrs and the whole town goes into a panic.
thats clearly another Madison selling point
-Do people from Chicago come up to Madison for a weekend for a good time...no.
Yes, I know several
-You drive too slow
not worthy of comment
-No good restaurants
The weight I put on senior year would beg to differ
-No international neighborhoods(Russian, Polish, Serbian, Jewish)
Jewish has nothing to do with being international
-Face it, your not a big city so stop trying act like you live in one, 5 mins and your out in cornfields.
Its not, its trying to do the best it can as a mid-sized midwestern city

[Milwaukee Ronnie]

Oh yeah, I run into celebs all the time in Milwaukee. I mean just last night night I was hanging out with Mary Kate and Ashley in this private club right above the Milwaukee Ale House. I mean, I really shouldn't be talking about this publicly, but there are tons of private clubs all over Downtown Milwaukee where the A and B listers hang out. I mean, just last week I was having cocktails with Bruce Willis at this little place off of Brady Street and he said that he loves hanging out in the VIP room at Eve. Tom and Katie are there like every other weekend. You never know when you'll run into a celeb in Milwaukee! Two weeks ago I was at the zoo with my family and I see this huge swarm of paparazzi over by the polar bears. Sure enough Leonardo was there with his GF just tryna enjoy the exhibits. He says to me every time I see him that the popper get real out of hand sometimes. Price of fame, I tell him. Yep. Price of fame. Nice kid.

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee Ronnie

Oh yeah, I run into celebs all the time in Milwaukee. I mean just last night night I was hanging out with Mary Kate and Ashley in this private club right above the Milwaukee Ale House. I mean, I really shouldn't be talking about this publicly, but there are tons of private clubs all over Downtown Milwaukee where the A and B listers hang out. I mean, just last week I was having cocktails with Bruce Willis at this little place off of Brady Street and he said that he loves hanging out in the VIP room at Eve. Tom and Katie are there like every other weekend. You never know when you'll run into a celeb in Milwaukee! Two weeks ago I was at the zoo with my family and I see this huge swarm of paparazzi over by the polar bears. Sure enough Leonardo was there with his GF just tryna enjoy the exhibits. He says to me every time I see him that the popper get real out of hand sometimes. Price of fame, I tell him. Yep. Price of fame. Nice kid.

I probably sound like the most dumbass, gullible person in the world. I'm sure you're being a smartass, but I don't know . . .

anything is possible. Why should anyone assume Milwaukee wouldn't have celebrities passing through. I mean there is summerfest afterall, and there are famous acts there.

[gallon]

Remember this about Madison. When Robert Zimmerman left northern Minnesota, he could have gone to Chicago, he could have gone to Milwaukee. He could have gone straight to Greenwhich Village. But he chose to go to Madison first.

[Milwaukee Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

I probably sound like the most dumbass, gullible person in the world. I'm sure you're being a smartass, but I don't know . . .

anything is possible. Why should anyone assume Milwaukee wouldn't have celebrities passing through. I mean there is summerfest afterall, and there are famous acts there.

The closest thing Milwaukee has to "celebrity sightings" is Bob Uecker.

Scratch that. One time I saw Joe Cocker in a restaurant. Does that count?

[Milwaukee Ronnie]

Originally Posted by gallon

Remember this about Madison. When Robert Zimmerman left northern Minnesota, he could have gone to Chicago, he could have gone to Milwaukee. He could have gone straight to Greenwhich Village. But he chose to go to Madison first.

According to the Wikipedia article on Bob Dylan (obviously a shaky reference point) when Dylan (then Zimmerman) first left his hometown, he went to the U of M in Minneapolis, where he started playing folk music. In Dinkytown, Minneapolis is where he found his musical voice. The article says he had stints in Chicago, Madison, WI and Denver before going to Greenwich Village.

I'd be interested in any other reference materials that say Bob Dylan's first stop outside of his hometown in Minnesota was Madison.

[gallon]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee Ronnie

According to the Wikipedia article on Bob Dylan (obviously a shaky reference point) when Dylan (then Zimmerman) first left his hometown, he went to the U of M in Minneapolis, where he started playing folk music. In Dinkytown, Minneapolis is where he found his musical voice. The article says he had stints in Chicago, Madison, WI and Denver before going to Greenwich Village.

I'd be interested in any other reference materials that say Bob Dylan's first stop outside of his hometown in Minnesota was Madison.

Hmmm. Now where did I read that. Probably in one of the biographies. Makes sense that he would stop at UM first. I'll see whether I can track that one down. It's a hard thing to certify, but I know I saw it in print somewhere.