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Old 06-20-2011, 07:23 AM
 
Location: South Portland, Maine
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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I saw this, but wasn't surprised. We kid ourselves into thinking how Maine was is how it is. Maine is just another northeastern socialist nanny-state. That's why we are going broke. Hopefully, the change of scenery in Augusta will turn it around.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:58 AM
 
Location: South Portland, Maine
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I saw this, but wasn't surprised. We kid ourselves into thinking how Maine was is how it is. Maine is just another northeastern socialist nanny-state. That's why we are going broke. Hopefully, the change of scenery in Augusta will turn it around.
I think the deregulation of health ins will help.

My concern is losing freedoms.. gun laws are always under attack..

people are always whining to government to fix something and their government has only limited options which usually require more laws, more regulations, more restrictions, which cause less freedoms and cost more money...
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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Well, it did rank number 7 in the personal liberty category, which is obviously a plus. Needs improvement in some of the other categories.

It has an advantage that a lot of states don't have (well, east coast states, in particular), which is the difference between de jure freedom and de facto freedom. If one elects to live in one of the more isolated areas (unincorporated territory/town), one will get more de facto liberty as the "effective reach" of bureaucracy tends to touch upon isolated areas much more lightly than it does in more urban areas and incorporated towns. Old thread of possible interest in this regard: Maine Unincorporated town thread - 2007

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Old 06-20-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Out West
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Wow, I just did the calculator at the end and brought Maine from #33 in freedom to #9 overall, #7 in economic and #7 in personal. Vote for me!
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I hate statistics. As statistics rarely seem to reflect my own subjective experiences.

This link goes to talking about income taxes. Well I am on pension, my income is low enough that I pay no income taxes. So to me it 'feels' like income taxes are very low. Zero is low.

"State and Local Debt as a Percentage of Personal Income" How does that effect me? If the state had a massive huge debt load and still did not tax me how would it feel any differently to me? And what does this have to do with freedom?

"Health insurance mandates" Maine does not mandate health insurance. So I am not sure why Maine is considered to be anti-freedom in the context of mandating health insurance when Maine doesn't.

Maine has among the best gun laws in the nation. Maine's state constitution is a 'shall issue'. Anyone who desires to hide firearms 'shall' be issued a permit to hide their firearms. That is far better than most states.

Then I have to consider full-auto clubs, we have folks who enjoy full-auto firearms in Maine. Not everywhere allows that, but Maine does.

Maine is extremely home-school friendly. We came to Maine assuming that we would still have children at home when we got here. We were homsechoolers from 1991 - 2005. Maine is among the best states anywhere in the nation for homeschooling.

When bean-counters pick data to form statistics, how and where they get their data from greatly influences the outcome.

Reading recently about some of the big drug cartels and how they go about convincing the FDA to allow new synthetic drugs to be sold on the streets in the USA. Often the drug studies are done in a manner to prove a pre-established point, and they are not unbiased. But it takes years for our system to finally get around to noticing that so many of our prescribed drugs are worthless, and only after millions of people have been using these drugs and paying the cartels does the FDA finally think about doing their job and pulling these synthetics off the market. People cooking the books, faking the statistics and everyone else believing those fake stats, even when they clearly fly in the face of common sense, seems to be doing far more harm than good.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:16 PM
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Wow, I just did the calculator at the end and brought Maine from #33 in freedom to #9 overall, #7 in economic and #7 in personal. Vote for me!
Okay
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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This link goes to talking about income taxes. Well I am on pension, my income is low enough that I pay no income taxes. So to me it 'feels' like income taxes are very low. Zero is low.[quote]

It may not matter to you, but there are a lot of us that *do* pay income taxes and it can be a significant bite. And, the fewer people paying, the more burden there is on those of us that do pay.

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"State and Local Debt as a Percentage of Personal Income" How does that effect me? If the state had a massive huge debt load and still did not tax me how would it feel any differently to me? And what does this have to do with freedom?
It could affect you if services like road maint. and plowing had to be reduced, or if sales, property and other taxes had to be raised to cover a shortfall in the ability to service the debt load.

And, to a certain extent, Money=Freedom. In our situation, my wife and I have to work more to get more money (and pay *more* taxes) to make up for the money that is taken from us in taxes, which reduces our 'freedom' because we are working more and have less time for anything else.

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Maine has among the best gun laws in the nation. Maine's state constitution is a 'shall issue'. Anyone who desires to hide firearms 'shall' be issued a permit to hide their firearms. That is far better than most states.

Then I have to consider full-auto clubs, we have folks who enjoy full-auto firearms in Maine. Not everywhere allows that, but Maine does.
I believe that full-auto is regulated at the Federal, not State level, with hefty taxes on such regulated weapons.
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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... I believe that full-auto is regulated at the Federal, not State level, with hefty taxes on such regulated weapons.
The Federal tax is $200 per weapon when you take possession. After that there are no further taxes.

Many states have added their own levels of regulation onto the Federal.

As for snow plowing I prefer the roads plowed but with no salt or brine.

I pay my 'share' of property taxes.


As to the OP, I still feel that Maine offers a far greater degree of personal freedoms as compared to the other states I have lived in.
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