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Old 09-20-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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I think if parents/kids had excess, it would be generous to donate or leave on a table...but not required
A donation is different than a requirement. Are you saying that people have the right to donate to whom they see fit? or should they be forced to donate?
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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A donation is different than a requirement. Are you saying that people have the right to donate to whom they see fit? or should they be forced to donate?
if a teacher has a donation box or bin, and those that want to contribute ,,,,could...but never forced
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Old 09-20-2012, 06:32 PM
 
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What?

No coco-pops! No sugary sugar treats! No GMO synthetic petroleum tarts!

You can not do that. You can not force people to healthy food.

That would be racist.



Racist against whom?

Anyway, I agree though that EBT should be reserved for healthy food. However, I'm willing to give those people a break - to qualify for food stamps, you really have to be poor. I figure they've got enough problems and could use a pop tart every once in a while.
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Old 09-20-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Bangor Maine
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I think all you people with the great ideas of how food stamps should be awarded and used should send your very good suggestions to the Maine State Dept. of Health and Human Services - Att: Commisioner Mary Mayhew in Augusta - God knows she could use some "good" direction on saving money for the taxpayer.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Aix-en-Provence, France
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There was a discussion on CD quite sometime ago about potentially drug testing those who receive public assistance. Now if they can't be required to be drug tested, can they be required to only purchase dairy, veggies, fruit, fish, meat, etc?
On the one hand I agree. That seems reasonable.

However, on the other hand, that's treating an individual like they are a criminal on parole for no other treason than they happen to need assistance.

Drug tests are a privacy issue. Even if you've never even smoked a joint in your life, they cross a civil liberties line. It's the ultimate tool of Big Government.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:07 AM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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What?

No coco-pops! No sugary sugar treats! No GMO synthetic petroleum tarts!





My mother always refused to buy me PopTarts. She told me they were filled with nothing but embalming fluid.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Aix-en-Provence, France
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my son asked me what my definition of redistribution is when he was in high school

he heard how his teacher defined it...... based on fairness


I asked him....they still give grades on tests ...right? (A,B,C,D,E)

he said yes

I asked him,,if it was fair, if he took the responsibility and studied for an upcoming test,(even missed going to the movies to study) and got an A
The kid next to him, didnt study at all-went to the movies, and he got a D on the test

Is it fair for the teacher to take away your A so now you have a B, and give some of your grade to the kid that didnt study, so instead of having a D he now has a C ???????????

he said thats not fair at all, why should I be punished??(I did the right thing, studied hard)
I said now you know the definition of redistribution

With all due respect, MBM, this is a flawed analogy.

Wealth distribution does nothing to take away from the personal or intellectual achievements of an individual, rather to alleviate the material lack of (poverty) from the whole. It's a practice goes back as far as the Roman Republics.

A better analogy would have been, if your son went to an apple orchard with his class. All the students were given baskets and told they can gather as many apples as they want– bit that they were going to have to give some back at the end.

Your son was fast and in good health, (thankfully), so at the end of of the time there he had a basket overflowing with apples. More than he'll be able to eat. However, there were many students who weren't so lucky; they were too slow, or too sick or incapable for whatever reason to get very many apples. So all of the students who did well gave back some apples to the the collective basket, and slow and sick ones were given a supplementary portion from the collective basket.

This may not be a PERFECT analogy, but you get the point. They're just apples. They don't add or take away from the accomplishments of a person– like doing well in school.

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Old 09-21-2012, 12:40 AM
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That analogy is fine for picking apples. But what about picking someone's pocket? Not everyone is created equal...they have equal opportunity. That's it. If someone is talented or good at something, they should benefit. Someone is disabled or sick or incapable to do for themself, there are very few people who don't believe in helping them. But to think that taking and redistributing someone else's financial gains are right and just is nothing more than robbery. When the population becomes dependant on someone else to provide for them how long does that last? Oh yes, for a period all is hunky dory till someone else's money dries up then we have a nice European atmosphere. This country is not Europe, hope it never becomes Europe and many of us aren't content to receive handouts. Those who aren't content do not mind paying taxes for certain services that protect us or enable a community to function. But I am not my "brother's keeper". I am my family's keeper. My opportunity for success was no different than anyone else, it is what I chose to accomplish and I don't feel I am responsible for someone who made bad decisions or no decisions. We have so many programs now that we shouldn't have one poor uneducated person in this nation. So much for all the billions spent on the war on poverty and education. Enough! Govt confiscates money and when there is none left to confiscate...then what? Help the truly needy yes, but when we promote food stamps as a way of life, something is wrong and if a person is going to be paying for someone to do nothing...why bother working or paying? Why not just become one of the recipient class? This utopic belief that we all will contribute to the good of the govt so they can do what is right for us cause they know what's best for the individual is found in 2 well known books. So far history has proven that it doesn't work.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:39 AM
 
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With all due respect, MBM, this is a flawed analogy.

Wealth distribution does nothing to take away from the personal or intellectual achievements of an individual, rather to alleviate the material lack of (poverty) from the whole. It's a practice goes back as far as the Roman Republics.

A better analogy would have been, if your son went to an apple orchard with his class. All the students were given baskets and told they can gather as many apples as they want– bit that they were going to have to give some back at the end.

Your son was fast and in good health, (thankfully), so at the end of of the time there he had a basket overflowing with apples. More than he'll be able to eat. However, there were many students who weren't so lucky; they were too slow, or too sick or incapable for whatever reason to get very many apples. So all of the students who did well gave back some apples to the the collective basket, and slow and sick ones were given a supplementary portion from the collective basket.

This may not be a PERFECT analogy, but you get the point. They're just apples. They don't add or take away from the accomplishments of a person– like doing well in school.
Knowing there will be equal distribution of the apples, what incentive does my son have to go fast and pick many? there is no reward or added incentive..
THE bigger question is this....in your world, knowing that equal distribution will happen, half the kids will choose NOT to pick apples, because others will pick them for them....
the good pickers will give to the disabled who cant pick....they have no prodblem with that-the problem is with the abled-bodied slackers that choose not to pick, because THEY KNOW SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT FOR THEM IN EQUAL DISTRIBUTION
so the slackers are playing there own games, while the pickers are getting sweaty and pick, they have the burden to pick not only for themselves, but for the slackers.
and guess what??
next time they go picking, More and more of the good pickers join the slackers, playing games, because its not hard work, and they are guaranteed an equal distribution- again this puts more pressure on the productive, to make up for the unproductive,....until eventually, two things happen.....enough of the pickers join the slackers, because its free and easy- now what happens?? the handi-cap kids, the ones that really need help, dont even get there apples, because too many slackers are not picking for themselves...too much "fraud" in the system.
or

whatever good pickers they have left.... are told now they have to pick ten times as much to make up for the slackers, and they say "it's not worth it anymore" I'm getting punished enough"
Im leaving this area and will grow my own orchard- going somewhere with less socialism


I hear many countries in Europe is on the brink of bankruptcy, with the redistribution policies...

I hate to say it, but the U.S. isnt far behind if we keep going towards socialism
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:05 AM
 
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On the one hand I agree. That seems reasonable.

However, on the other hand, that's treating an individual like they are a criminal on parole for no other treason than they happen to need assistance.

Drug tests are a privacy issue. Even if you've never even smoked a joint in your life, they cross a civil liberties line. It's the ultimate tool of Big Government.
...or treating people like criminals on parole just because they plan to work/get a job/have a job and are subject to random drug testing on an ongoing basis. People who WORK in certain jobs--government jobs included are REQUIRED to pass a drug test. If people are getting financial assistance from the government....
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