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Old 09-21-2012, 10:41 PM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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But that would detract from teaching the 'anti-bullying' programs, 'same-sex is great', 'drug awareness', 'safe-sex', 'victimization' programs.

That was why public-funded schools dropped US constitution studies. They had no time for it.

When our children were in middle school, one day each week was D.A.R.E. plus five weeks were dedicated to teaching [or preparing] for the 'Masters' testing, and another week for doing the 'Masters' testing. Then so many hours had to be documented on anti-bully programs, and again on 'safe-sex' programs, and ....
There once was a time where most people actually parented their children. Now ask any school system what their number one issue is with the children of today. Most will tell you that behavioral issues are a teacher's number one enemy.

It's pathetic really.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:55 PM
 
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Yep...They danced the night away before the Battle of Waterloo, too!
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:03 AM
 
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The adjusted unemployment rate and the unadjusted rate are far different from each other [8.2% and 23%].

I spoke with my brother in California a few days ago, and I asked him how the refugee camps are doing in Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, San Jose, etc. Since we hear nothing about them on the news. He told me that our hometown airport had acquired a large parcel of land adjacent to the airport as a refugee camp, though it only has around 20k camped there. So it is one of the smallest homeless camps.

When I was out there a couple years ago, my plane flew over one of the larger tent cities. It is amazing the things that do not get covered by the Main-Stream-Media 'news'.

I suppose the topic is just too depressing. Like the need for 'adjusting' the unemployment numbers before releasing them for publishing.
Is this really happening, refugee camps?? I live in Texas and haven't heard about any of these existing anywhere. Please understand I'm not doubting you, I'm just very surprised.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:18 PM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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Is this really happening, refugee camps?? I live in Texas and haven't heard about any of these existing anywhere. Please understand I'm not doubting you, I'm just very surprised.

Disclosure: I have no idea when this story ran, but according to this story, many of the people here were formerly employed in the construction business.


America's Largest Tent City - YouTube
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Maine
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It wouldn't surprise me if 50 years from now when historians are detailing this era, they may well call this time a depression. But anyone who thinks it is even remotely close to anything like the Great Depression needs to spend some time talking to people who actually went through it. Talk to your grandparents if they're still around. Times are bad now, but they aren't nearly as bad or as widespread as the 1930s.

And when it comes to the unemployment rate, keep in mind what Disreali said: "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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It wouldn't surprise me if 50 years from now when historians are detailing this era, they may well call this time a depression. But anyone who thinks it is even remotely close to anything like the Great Depression needs to spend some time talking to people who actually went through it. Talk to your grandparents if they're still around. Times are bad now, but they aren't nearly as bad or as widespread as the 1930s.

And when it comes to the unemployment rate, keep in mind what Disreali said: "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
I thought that was Mark Twain.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, CA/Dover-Foxcroft, ME
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I think I remember seeing this story a while back on our local news channels. The video above from NBC sure was dramatic. Before I saw the place, I thought it was in some distant eastern city or something.

These stories pop up around here in Sac every year, especially in the winter when it gets cold and rainy. There are about 2 million people in the three county area. The video said there were at least 1200 homeless in the tents but I immediately thought that that number was a little low. I don't see these tent cities that are shown in the video. Their encampments are more hidden around the American River and Sacramento River areas. This is the capital city and when the homeless set up these tent cities, they will usually be disbanded within a few days because of many health and safety reasons. A few miles down the road in the UC Davis campus, they might even be pepper sprayed.

The city does it's best with this situation and has many shelters and churches that get involved. The California Exposition Center just last August had a free four day event that offered free healthcare, vision and dental. This event wasn't just for the homeless but the under employed with no health insurance too. The lines were long but they eventually saw thousands of people. CalExpo hosts free workshops and employment seminars also.

I certainly feel sorry for all these people and it will tug at your heart when you see the kids being interviewed.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:33 AM
 
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I think I remember seeing this story a while back on our local news channels. The video above from NBC sure was dramatic. Before I saw the place, I thought it was in some distant eastern city or something.

These stories pop up around here in Sac every year, especially in the winter when it gets cold and rainy. There are about 2 million people in the three county area. The video said there were at least 1200 homeless in the tents but I immediately thought that that number was a little low. I don't see these tent cities that are shown in the video. Their encampments are more hidden around the American River and Sacramento River areas. This is the capital city and when the homeless set up these tent cities, they will usually be disbanded within a few days because of many health and safety reasons. A few miles down the road in the UC Davis campus, they might even be pepper sprayed.

The city does it's best with this situation and has many shelters and churches that get involved. The California Exposition Center just last August had a free four day event that offered free healthcare, vision and dental. This event wasn't just for the homeless but the under employed with no health insurance too. The lines were long but they eventually saw thousands of people. CalExpo hosts free workshops and employment seminars also.

I certainly feel sorry for all these people and it will tug at your heart when you see the kids being interviewed.
Thanks for your input. It's nice to hear from someone who's actually there. When we visited the San Diego area last March, there were homeless people cooking at the various grills along Mission Beach. In Hollywood, the divide between the haves and have-nots walking down Hollywood Blvd was interesting. Of course Maine does not have as many openly homeless as CA does, but I wonder what the true percentage is based on population.

In Maine (at least the Bangor area) we have an 'encampment' called "The Pines," but there are other areas tucked well-away from sight in different areas of the city too. There are those who also reside in their cars as it's the last thing they have left, or as I mentioned before, in fleabag motels. I hope the economy will turn around soon and people can get back on their feet quickly.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:35 AM
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if 50 years from now when historians are detailing this era, they may well call this time a depression. But anyone who thinks it is even remotely close to anything like the Great Depression needs to spend some time talking to people who actually went through it. Talk to your grandparents if they're still around. Times are bad now, but they aren't nearly as bad or as widespread as the 1930s.

And when it comes to the unemployment rate, keep in mind what Disreali said: "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
True. I grew up listening to Depression stories. There was nowhere near the amount of assistance that people have today.
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:32 AM
 
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True. I grew up listening to Depression stories. There was nowhere near the amount of assistance that people have today.
I also grew up listening to WWII, Depression, and FDR stories. There was a CCC camp in Ellsworth. Didn't families pull together and help each other? A social studies teacher friend told me that the unemployment rate during the Great Depression was 20%. The stock market hasn't crashed to the extent that it did in 1929....not yet anyway. If you're one of the people who lost your job and lost your home to foreclosure, you're living in your own personal great depression.

In response to your homeless comments, there is also a homeless shelter (used to be the post office) in Ellsworth. www.emmaushomelessshelter.org Here's an article you might find interesting. Ellsworth homeless shelter reflects on 20 years, turnaround in formerly icy relationship with city Hancock Bangor Daily News BDN Maine

On a national note, try googling DNC (or RNC) and homeless. If they're to be "hid" during the convention, why not "help" them when it's over.

Will DNC plans hide our homeless?
Agencies scramble to devise plan to house homeless during DNC | CharlotteObserver.com
Let’s help homeless beyond DNC week | CharlotteObserver.com

Downtown homeless will have help during RNC - Tampa Bay Times

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