Banned Smoking? (house, buy, school)

[contented]

forgive the gentle tug back to the topic but, if it is a "greater good" type of proposal i'd ask you all to weigh in on whether this law or a motorcycle helmet law should be passed first, or neither ever?

[investtt]

Originally Posted by dmyankee

The Kerry/Edwards crowd is only smokin' the righteous bud, man!

I'm a Republican and I don't see how Dems. smoking weed correlates to passing laws against smoking cigarettes. I think we should raise the penaltys on all drugs. Heck, I wouldn't even mind if we had prohibition again. I don't do any drugs, because I never found it to be productive life for anyone. If we want a better economy I think we should look at how and why most people go on welfare.

[Elcarim]

Originally Posted by Lubec mason

To some extent I feel they might be right as far as trying to keep people from smoking in their cars with kids in them. But that should be common sence. I am a heavy smoker and try like hell not to smoke in tha car with the kids. But some times I do with all the windows down and the sun roof opened. Every where is a long trip from Lubec. Walmart is almost an hour away. To make it a law is foolish how ever. If pulled pver for something real like speeding and shamed for smoking in the car with the kids would be more appropriate. Next we wont be able to smoke in our homes or yards. We will need to build under ground bunkers for smokeing rooms. Some times politics and common sence are way too far appart.

This is my point exactly. Why don't they just skip all the nonsense and make poor parenting decisions against the law and take care of everything in one swift move. Isn't that all it really amounts to, anyway?

[dmyankee]

Originally Posted by investtt

I'm a Republican and I don't see how Dems. smoking weed correlates to passing laws against smoking cigarettes. I think we should raise the penaltys on all drugs. Heck, I wouldn't even mind if we had prohibition again. I don't do any drugs, because I never found it to be productive life for anyone. If we want a better economy I think we should look at how and why most people go on welfare.

By and by..I can not legally purchase a Cuban cigar, but I can go into any one of thousands of stores and shops coast to coast and have my choice, of often cheaply made, goods from the Peoples Republic of Communist China!!!

What's up with that?

By the way, we have had prohibition and tax stamps forever on this continent and as an American, it is my inalienable right to persue happiness without infringing on my neighbors rights or the greater society at large.

Beneficence and altruism is fine. Once they are mandated, however, you start crossing the line on individual freedom. Case in point is the plethora of laws usurping the 2nd amendment. The country was built on the concept of rugged individualism. Depending on the individual, unfortunately, stupidity often trumps common sense. Dawinian law will take care of that eventually!

[dramamama6685]

Originally Posted by dmyankee

By and by..I can not legally purchase a Cuban cigar, but I can go into any one of thousands of stores and shops coast to coast and have my choice, of often cheaply made, goods from the Peoples Republic of Communist China!!!

What's up with that?

By the way, we have had prohibition and tax stamps forever on this continent and as an American, it is my inalienable right to persue happiness without infringing on my neighbors rights or the greater society at large.

Beneficence and altruism is fine. Once they are mandated, however, you start crossing the line on individual freedom. Case in point is the plethora of laws usurping the 2nd amendment. The country was built on the concept of rugged individualism. Depending on the individual, unfortunately, stupidity often trumps common sense. Dawinian law will take care of that eventually!

Very well said. I actually attended a local gun rights conference over the weekend. The last speaker of the day was presidential hopeful, Ron Paul. He mentioned how a little at a time congress is chipping away at individual freedoms in direct oppostion, of couirse to our founding fathers intentions/the Constitution. Hopefully, the voters at large will wake up before it's too late.

[Zymer]

Originally Posted by dramamama6685

Very well said. I actually attended a local gun rights conference over the weekend. The last speaker of the day was presidential hopeful, Ron Paul. He mentioned how a little at a time congress is chipping away at individual freedoms in direct oppostion, of couirse to our founding fathers intentions/the Constitution. Hopefully, the voters at large will wake up before it's too late.

It is a sad trend indeed. In many states it is getting more difficult to exercise one's 2nd ammendment rights- raising license fees (you need a license to exercise a constitutionally recognized right? What other rights will require a license next?), the stigmatizing of guns and the people who carry them in/by the media.

Fewer and fewer people are going armed, in some cases people who successfully defend themselves with a firearm wind up being prosecuted for doing so.

Fewer people being armed makes it easier to pass more restrictive laws, even bad laws and the people feel less able to protest them. The people don't get to vote on what laws are passed, the politicians do what they want and it is much more difficult to get a law rescinded.

The cops seem to be less polite to the citizens in general. It seems like it's becoming us vs. them. The cops are supposed to be "for" us, not our opponents, but so many stupid laws get passed...how many people feel a sudden panic when they see blue lights behind them "Oh no, what did I do wrong?"

I don't make a habit of watching TV shows like "Cops" but I've seen it a few times and been disgusted with some of the behaviors of the "boys in blue", and if they'll do that when the cameras are rolling, what will they do when no one is watching? (And before anyone jumps to the wrong conclusion, I have been involved in LE. I'm not a "cop hater", but I really don't like some of the things I've been seeing.)

It's not justs the "real" cop shows. My wife likes to watch the CSIs and "Stark" and more than a few times I've seen the shows portray the violation of rights as "acceptable". It is very disturbing.

Also disturbing is the so-called "Patriot" Act, as well as other laws in the US Code which can subject one to federal felony charges for speaking out against the government...or worse, locked away in Guantanamo Bay.

Buffalo Springfield:

" There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware"

...

" Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down"


Paranoid? I don't know, but I think the Founding Fathers would be revolted at the current state of affairs. (Pun intended.)

[399083453]

Motorcycle helmet law? Not for it. If you want to risk greater injury to yourself, you should be able to. Under 18? Yes, you should be required. Your not an adult and therefore cannot make adult decisions like not wearing a helmet. Same goes for smokes and alcohol.

Banned smoking in enclosed places? Yes, I'm for it. We know so much more these days about smoking and second hand smoke than we ever did. Yes, years ago, everyone smoked, and we now know the terrible effects that has on people. Those days are coming to a close. Just like the days of using opium and cocaine in hospitals and over the counter.... over.

Enclosed area smoking will eventually be banned in all 50 states, and I would agree with it. I used to be a smoker, so I can sympathize with all the smokers but not at the risk of others. Yes, you should be able to enjoy a smoke if you want to, just do it outside or in a smoking room where it will not affect others who are currently not smoking or don't smoke at all.

[Zymer]

Originally Posted by contented

forgive the gentle tug back to the topic but, if it is a "greater good" type of proposal i'd ask you all to weigh in on whether this law or a motorcycle helmet law should be passed first, or neither ever?

No helmet laws. Ever.

I ride. Sometimes I wear a helmet, sometimes I don't.

Helmets may provide some protection against certain types of head trauma, under certain conditions. However, under other conditions they can actually increase injuries, due to the helmet striking the back of the neck and damaging the vertebrae, the added weight of the helmet can magnify the forces acting on the head and neck resulting in c-spine injury and subjecting the brain to more trauma as it is bounced inside the skull (the shell may stay whole but the egg still gets scrambled).

Whether it "serves the greater good" is debateable as one issue, whether or not a helmet merely trades one type of damage for another is also debateable.

In a low-speed crash a helmet may be as much as 72% effective in reducing head injuries, but at high speeds the rider is screwed either way. It could even be argued that a rider who survives a high-speed crash because of wearing a helmet, but is paralyzed or vegetablized (LOL, is that a real word?) would be even more detrimental to "the greater good" because once the insurance money runs out, the public would be left paying for his/her care.

Just wearing a helmet increases head/neck strain and fatigue, which could actually increase the odds of having an accident.

[dmyankee]

Originally Posted by 399083453

Motorcycle helmet law? Not for it. If you want to risk greater injury to yourself, you should be able to. Under 18? Yes, you should be required. Your not an adult and therefore cannot make adult decisions like not wearing a helmet. Same goes for smokes and alcohol.

Banned smoking in enclosed places? Yes, I'm for it. We know so much more these days about smoking and second hand smoke than we ever did. Yes, years ago, everyone smoked, and we now know the terrible effects that has on people. Those days are coming to a close. Just like the days of using opium and cocaine in hospitals and over the counter.... over.

Enclosed area smoking will eventually be banned in all 50 states, and I would agree with it. I used to be a smoker, so I can sympathize with all the smokers but not at the risk of others. Yes, you should be able to enjoy a smoke if you want to, just do it outside or in a smoking room where it will not affect others who are currently not smoking or don't smoke at all.

In the hospitals we use opioids and Zylocaine every day...If you are talking about tonics such as Coca Cola, the cocaine was banned by 1906 through regulatory acts. On another note, the lithium carbonate in 7-Up was discovered in the '50's to have therapeutic effects for what we used to refer to as manic depression.

As much as I value personal liberty, helmet laws are way overdue! Loud pipes also. If I can get summonsed for a loud muffler and lack of seat belts the biker should also.

The Libs just start with the easy targets. The camels nose has been under the tent for a long time! I think his entire head and half a hump have slid through and we are well on our way to an oligarchy. Historically, Republics have only had a total life span of about 300 years. We are in our third century here.

[Zymer]

In many (all?) places pipes that are too loud/no mufflers are already against the law. It just isn't being enforced as much as it should be.