Northwest Maine - what's up with it? (statistics, land)

[Northern Maine Land Man]

I don't think the United States Senate is a "Koch-supported group" yet. Anyone taking the time to read the document will see where our predicament originated.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by Northern Maine Land Man

I don't think the United States Senate is a "Koch-supported group" yet. Anyone taking the time to read the document will see where our predicament originated.

"Watershed" has never, ever been a "buzzword" for anyone except those sad, criminal deniers that would poison aquifiers with mining, drilling and fracking operations, walk away with a pocket full of cash and leave the people that live there with poison water. Clean water is necessary for the sustenance of life. Of course, there are those that would take a dump on your lawn at the lake and try to claim you owe them for fertilizer, or who feel they should be able to change their oil straight onto the ground, or run their straigtpipe into the lake. They like to call this form of assault on one's neighbors "freedom." The "freedom" to pollute. The "freedom" to pave all the way around the lake. They don't understand watersheds, ecosystems or the natural way of things, they just understand the catch phrases taught to them, and they only care about the almighty dollar -even though the only ones truly getting the dollars are the teachers of the catch phrase mantras. Like "environmental industry." Silly. Like the majority of scientists that study water, forests, land use, air quality - have some hidden agenda that they're profiting obscenely from. It might no just be that big money has spent trillions of dollars to brainwash an awful lot of people that anyone that wants clean water is part of the "environmental industry." Besides, what's a little cancer-causing dioxin if there's a buck in it for the Big Boys?

I skimmed your "Senate Report." It's a straight up hatchet job against anyone that supports protecting the environment. The "Hatchet Report" is an undercurrent trying to drum up support for the oil and natural gas industry, allowing them to continue to pump or 500 "proprietary" chemicals into groundwater to push out natural gas and oil from shale. This was Dick Cheney's gift to Halliburton and the oil and natural gas industry during the Bush II years. They don't have to, by law, tell the EPA or anyone else what they pump into the ground. Watersheds and aquifers nationwide have been permanently poisoned. But that's O.K., as long as someone makes a buck. The poor farmer whose well water is destroyed - actually lights on fire from the tap - too bad. If he doesn't like it, he doesn't support your kind of "freedom."

[Northern Maine Land Man]

Methane and natural gas have been bubbling out of the swamps and ground since time began. It isn't caused by evil corporations.

[kellysmith]

Originally Posted by Maineac

I skimmed your "Senate Report." The "Hatchet Report" is an undercurrent trying to drum up support for the oil and natural gas industry, allowing them to continue to pump or 500 "proprietary" chemicals into groundwater to push out natural gas and oil from shale. This was Dick Cheney's gift to Halliburton and the oil and natural gas industry during the Bush II years. They don't have to, by law, tell the EPA or anyone else what they pump into the ground. Watersheds and aquifers nationwide have been permanently poisoned.

I skimmed your post and it is a "hatchet post" filled with inaccuracies used by those who have an agenda and they use those inaccuracies to scare those with little knowledge of the process. The maximum depth of ground water is around 1000 ft. The depth of the Shale oil you speak of is between 7000 to 10,000 ft. An oil well has no frack fluid pumped into it until it has a steel well casing in place and cemented into the surrounding bore hole. Only then is the fracking process done, inside a steel pipe at least a mile below the closest ground water. The maximum amount of the fractures produces is around 250 ft, quite some distance from the groundwater a mile above. The majority of the fracking fluid is pumped back out of the bore hole and used again. Why do companies not list their contents of their proprietary fluid? Because it's a competitive process and they don't want their competitors to have access to it, but you can guarantee the EPA has that info. If you think they don't, you must believe in the Easter Bunny.
For those that want to know more about the fracking process, here is a pretty good video that describes the process. I see no inaccuracies in the video, and I believe it dispells most of the boogie man fear mongering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY34PQUiwOQ

[arctichomesteader]

Guarani Aquifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5,900 feet in depth. A little more than 1,000 feet. We don't know where a chemical injected deep underground is going to go.

[kellysmith]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Guarani Aquifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5,900 feet in depth. A little more than 1,000 feet. We don't know where a chemical injected deep underground is going to go.

Didn't realize they were fracking there, and 5900 feet is still over 3/4 of a mile above 10,000 ft. Your point is?

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by kellysmith

I skimmed your post and it is a "hatchet post" filled with inaccuracies used by those who have an agenda and they use those inaccuracies to scare those with little knowledge of the process. The maximum depth of ground water is around 1000 ft. The depth of the Shale oil you speak of is between 7000 to 10,000 ft. An oil well has no frack fluid pumped into it until it has a steel well casing in place and cemented into the surrounding bore hole. Only then is the fracking process done, inside a steel pipe at least a mile below the closest ground water. The maximum amount of the fractures produces is around 250 ft, quite some distance from the groundwater a mile above. The majority of the fracking fluid is pumped back out of the bore hole and used again. Why do companies not list their contents of their proprietary fluid? Because it's a competitive process and they don't want their competitors to have access to it, but you can guarantee the EPA has that info. If you think they don't, you must believe in the Easter Bunny.
For those that want to know more about the fracking process, here is a pretty good video that describes the process. I see no inaccuracies in the video, and I believe it dispells most of the boogie man fear mongering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY34PQUiwOQ

Here's a good documentary on fracking from a guy what was offered substantial money for his PA property drilling rights and went nationwide because he couldn't decide whether to cash in or not. The EPA does NOT have the info. The 500 different compounds pumped into the ground are proprietary, and Cheney made sure the EPA would have no say whatsoever in the process when the legislation was developed. Funny how the groundwater has been poisoned in so many places in America. But my moderate (as a registered Republican) opinion and all the facts that are out there obviously won't impact the brainwashed masses. Faucet water lighting on fire. Burning creeks. And I'd guess a large number of ranchers and farmers who vote very, very far right. Anything for a buck. And that's what it's all about. Not the easter bunny. The gas and oil industry's Santa Claus. By the way, figure out who controls the largest segment of the Athabascan Oil Sands and you'll understand who is teaching the "it's O.K." mantra for all the misinformation catch phrases, including the XL pipeline.:
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[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by kellysmith

Didn't realize they were fracking there, and 5900 feet is still over 3/4 of a mile above 10,000 ft. Your point is?

I didn't realize the earth has a rule that water can only be down to 1000 feet in north America but nearly 6000 in south America. I'll make a note of that. The point is don't post false information while claiming others are. There may well be deeper aquifers in the U.S. we don't know about yet.

[kellysmith]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

The point is don't post false information while claiming others are. There may well be deeper aquifers in the U.S. we don't know about yet.

You should delete your account if you want that to happen Captain. You fail to mention how even water at 5900 ft in South America affects the North Maine woods. Goodbye! Get a life and stop trying to be such a know it all!

[Maineac]

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