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Old 08-24-2010, 05:40 AM
 
Location: mid-coast Maine
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Absolutely! I know of one such guy in the mid-coast area who use to run the service yard at one of the very large boat builders in the area and then decided to go out on his own. He's VERY busy and all of his work comes from word of mouth. Charges $45/hour, which I think is a steal.

Lots and lots of work available. Practically all of the problems we have seen at out boatyard this summer have all been engine related.
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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Why, with your first post, are you giving "advice" that is not pertinent to the question asked (which was specific to Maine) on a thread that has been dead for nearly 3 years??
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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Running an "at-their-location" mobile marine service from your home is almost impossible. Half of all the work being done to boat engines requires a shop and the ability to pull the motor as well as run them for hours on end. Figure on monthly costs to lease/rent your own commercial location with utilities at $3,000.00 to $5,000.00. Since the average master technician can do $120-150,000.00 a year in work that means by yourself, overhead (salary included at around $30-40,000) will run $100,000.00+ a year. The original $150,000.00 annual number is derived from standard shop rates which in our area run $65.00 (warranty reimbursement) to $95.00 an hour. I cannot stress enough how important it is not to offer yourself up as a discounted service because you will get nowhere doing it. In N.C. 75% or more of the total annual revenue for a dealership is the sale of boats, the models they are using to achieve a profit from service are already the lowest possible.

The only way they can increase profits on service is to send technicians to classes each year, for each manufacturer and sometimes for different makes/models of watercraft- per manufacturer. The incentive for the dealership is in the mechanics beating the flat-rate manual. Manufacturers have established the average amount of time for every job on every boat. A dealership cannot charge more than flat-rate on warranty work or newer model work and due to competition they are bound within a range even for really old models. For instance, the average price range for engine rebuilds on anything ever made is $1,200- $2,400.00 (with parts). A lot of times you will not be able to make your hourly shop rate on these jobs. When your rebuilding someone's engine you really want to take your time to ensure it is done right no matter what. Dealers make more money if the mechanics beat the flat-rate time and in most shops it is required you meet that time frame on every job or your fired. If they send you to school every year usually they want you to beat the flat rate and a master technician can do it in half the time. Some shops our owner has worked at even required you make that rate to stay employed. The difference in time is never passed on to the customer, it is booked as increased profit to the shop.

The dilemma is, when your doing mobile service calls and standing next to the customer you cannot charge them flat rate. Many people are simply shocked to hear they owe you several hundred dollars (based on flat rate/dealership prices) for something you spent 1.5 hours in actual time completing, yet was listed in the flat rate manual as a three hour job. So essentially when you hire a mobile company AND they bill you by the hour AND they are fast, you're getting a serious deal. Since I know boat owners will read this I want to be clear. Take your boat to a dealership for a three hour job and you will be paying for three hours of shop labor regardless of how long the job took to complete. Choose a mobile service and they have to be fast because you cannot make money unless your completing a minimum of two jobs a day. The average mobile call for us is two hours with anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour per job in driving time. Realistically, you will not be doing more than three mobile calls a day and at a dealership, 3 jobs a day is the minimum you complete on average. A master technician, who can beat the flat rate by 50%, will turn six boats a day+. Having to bill actual rate means you will not make the kind of money or profit that a dealership makes.

The only way to achieve the same revenues as a dealership in a mobile service is to charge double the standard area shop rate. You really need to bill $120.00 to $170.00 an hour to compare. In our business half the work we do is mobile only so it will take $185,000.00 in billed work for the owner to take home $45,000.00 in pay due to the non-flat rate pricing on mobile calls, which conversely make you more money (if you charge a trip fee) but only if you do each job faster than flat rate and finish three a day or more. Personally, I feel the mobile service model is unworkable and people will not ever pay twice the money for just the convenience of not having to take their boat to a shop. So many people are getting into mobile boat repair these days that I believe dealerships will simply offer free pick up and delivery to keep their service shops making money and that move will eliminate mobile marine companies.

Lastly, Mercury/Mercruiser claims to account for 80% of the U.S. market in engines. In order for you to become a "service-only" shop for Mercury you need to have $5,000.00 a year to spend on stock. They require $10,457.00 in special tools- you buy from them. $600.00 a year fee for MercNet. $200.00 a year on manuals, $600.00 a year for training fees and $2,650.00 a year for/per certification classes. The average start-up costs to become a dealer on parts or boats per manufacturer is about $30,000.00 with annual costs running $5-10,000 a year per company. To become a dealer for the brands we service now, our company will invest $120,000.00+ and spend at least that annually to maintain our dealer status. Food for thought.

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Old 08-28-2010, 12:55 PM
 
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Many boatyards will not allow mobile mechanics to do work in their yards. So you either have to haul the boat to a dealer who will repair it or have yard certified mechanics do the work.
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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Running an "at-their-location" mobile marine service from your home is almost impossible. Half of all the work being done to boat engines requires a shop and the ability to pull the motor as well as run them for hours on end. Figure on monthly costs to lease/rent your own commercial location with utilities at $3,000.00 to $5,000.00. Since the average master technician can do $120-150,000.00 a year in work that means by yourself, overhead (salary included at around $30-40,000) will run $100,000.00+ a year. The original $150,000.00 annual number is derived from standard shop rates which in our area run $65.00 (warranty reimbursement) to $95.00 an hour. I cannot stress enough how important it is not to offer yourself up as a discounted service because you will get nowhere doing it. In N.C. 75% or more of the total annual revenue for a dealership is the sale of boats, the models they are using to achieve a profit from service are already the lowest possible.

The only way they can increase profits on service is to send technicians to classes each year, for each manufacturer and sometimes for different makes/models of watercraft- per manufacturer. The incentive for the dealership is in the mechanics beating the flat-rate manual. Manufacturers have established the average amount of time for every job on every boat. A dealership cannot charge more than flat-rate on warranty work or newer model work and due to competition they are bound within a range even for really old models. For instance, the average price range for engine rebuilds on anything ever made is $1,200- $2,400.00 (with parts). A lot of times you will not be able to make your hourly shop rate on these jobs. When your rebuilding someone's engine you really want to take your time to ensure it is done right no matter what. Dealers make more money if the mechanics beat the flat-rate time and in most shops it is required you meet that time frame on every job or your fired. If they send you to school every year usually they want you to beat the flat rate and a master technician can do it in half the time. Some shops our owner has worked at even required you make that rate to stay employed. The difference in time is never passed on to the customer, it is booked as increased profit to the shop.

The dilemma is, when your doing mobile service calls and standing next to the customer you cannot charge them flat rate. Many people are simply shocked to hear they owe you several hundred dollars (based on flat rate/dealership prices) for something you spent 1.5 hours in actual time completing, yet was listed in the flat rate manual as a three hour job. So essentially when you hire a mobile company AND they bill you by the hour AND they are fast, you're getting a serious deal. Since I know boat owners will read this I want to be clear. Take your boat to a dealership for a three hour job and you will be paying for three hours of shop labor regardless of how long the job took to complete. Choose a mobile service and they have to be fast because you cannot make money unless your completing a minimum of two jobs a day. The average mobile call for us is two hours with anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour per job in driving time. Realistically, you will not be doing more than three mobile calls a day and at a dealership, 3 jobs a day is the minimum you complete on average. A master technician, who can beat the flat rate by 50%, will turn six boats a day+. Having to bill actual rate means you will not make the kind of money or profit that a dealership makes.

The only way to achieve the same revenues as a dealership in a mobile service is to charge double the standard area shop rate. You really need to bill $120.00 to $170.00 an hour to compare. In our business half the work we do is mobile only so it will take $185,000.00 in billed work for the owner to take home $45,000.00 in pay due to the non-flat rate pricing on mobile calls, which conversely make you more money (if you charge a trip fee) but only if you do each job faster than flat rate and finish three a day or more. Personally, I feel the mobile service model is unworkable and people will not ever pay twice the money for just the convenience of not having to take their boat to a shop. So many people are getting into mobile boat repair these days that I believe dealerships will simply offer free pick up and delivery to keep their service shops making money and that move will eliminate mobile marine companies.

Lastly, Mercury/Mercruiser claims to account for 80% of the U.S. market in engines. In order for you to become a "service-only" shop for Mercury you need to have $5,000.00 a year to spend on stock. They require $10,457.00 in special tools- you buy from them. $600.00 a year fee for MercNet. $200.00 a year on manuals, $600.00 a year for training fees and $2,650.00 a year for/per certification classes. The average start-up costs to become a dealer on parts or boats per manufacturer is about $30,000.00 with annual costs running $5-10,000 a year per company. To become a dealer for the brands we service now, our company will invest $120,000.00+ and spend at least that annually to maintain our dealer status. Food for thought.

DMMS
This is an excellent post and very informative. The information in the post is undoubtedly true in North Carolina but there are a number of independent, non-mobile, marine mechanics in Maine doing quite well. These guys have trained at Mercury or Yamaha etc. and specialize in that type of engine or outdrive. If your boat is small enough for you to trailer it to their shop (usually a barn behind their house) they will fix you right up. They do not do warrantee work and are not bound in any way to the dealers or manufacturers. Their overhead is minimal, they order parts online, they carry no inventory ,they simply repair broken boat engines at a reasonable cost and they are BUSY! Virtually every town on the coast of Maine has a guy that does this type of work. Ask around. Someone will know who it is in your town or one nearby.
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Old 08-29-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Cooper Maine
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There are several. Quite a few individuals doing it and most of the big places have people that will come to you.
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Old 08-30-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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"Many boatyards will not allow mobile mechanics to do work in their yards."

No doubt. We have been fortunate enough to maintain relationships with two local dealerships who send us work they are not interested in doing for whatever reasons, we in turn send parts sales and warranty-work calls back to them. If you accept mobile calls at marinas, dealerships or State-owned boat ramps (illegal in N.C.) you are running the risk of criminal trespassing charges and civil tort actions. We verified this information early on through an attorney. The boom in mechanic-owned service shops either mobile or at their home-based shop is contributing to hyper-competitiveness and reduced market perception of value in boat repair service. Here in N.C. we are seeing offered rates of between $25.00 an hour to standard market price of $95.00. At $25.00 an hour you'll get by and pay your personal bills but there is no profit. You will not grow your business in any way. YP listing alone costs $3,000.00 a year. Originally we started out at $65.00 an hour, or the warranty reimbursement rate and found that there is no difference in the number of customers per month at either rate. In fact, at the lower rate we received more work than we could ever do and began running so far behind in scheduling that our service offering was worse, by a matter of months, than dealership time frames. In N.C. people are specializing in certain brands or models and engine types, they will be in for a shock when the economy turns around though as business today (based on our figures pre-crash and post crash) will cut in half once boat sales return to year 2005 levels. In about three years time.

Any mobile marine business must eventually become a dealer to continue to make a profit. When you order parts, online or anywhere, and those parts are from a manufacturer- not aftermarket, you buy them from a dealership. Probably one that has also become a national distributor and they charge you retail. The industry mark-up in a mechanic-owned mobile marine business is zero, 20% and up to 100%, where areas wholesale-to-retail for a dealership is 100-400%. That equates to 50% of profits on service-shop business models, at least it looks that way in our area. So, half the money you will make is due to to sole-source availability of parts from specific manufacturers and the distribution system they established which cannot be circumvented. I have attempted to get parts from online-only sales companies and found that while they list them, and at cheaper than wholesale distributor- retail prices, they never ship them. When you search for a boat part online and find it at a phenomenal deal the question is- will you receive that part? I recently dealt with this issue for a customer and got fed up and just called Mercury only to find out that the sites listing that part were listing an aftermarket version no longer available and that unless you buy it from a Mercury dealer (it was on manufacturer back-order for an estimated six months) you are not going to get it. FYI: we have to purchase from dealerships, Mercury Marine screws and bolts specific to their engines all the time on rebuilds and get stuck paying anywhere from .30 to $8.00 a piece on screws, washers and bolts. Typically the customer is relying on you to provide the service and the parts, with the service being done in a timely fashion usually assumed to be less time than a dealership. In N.C. (after six years of accumulated information) we have determined that time frame to be two weeks or less. Without becoming a dealer your service offering will be tied to another companies schedules.

If you are starting a mobile marine company or just working on boats at home you should price parts at the same mark up rates as you would at a dealership, with the starting point being the price you paid. We offset the revenue decrease (due to billing times being shorter than flat rate) by increasing the parts mark up so that we receive 100% across the board on parts. This will make your parts revenue equivalent to service at 50% and should make twice as much money eventually once you have year-round work, as you did working as a master technician at a dealership. Again, using our model in which we work on every boat type and engine ever made, we turn down practically nothing. The best credit terms available now in parts are net 10 days. Any dealer that is sole source charges you up front before shipping and monthly parts investment costs us $1,500.00 to $8,000.00 a month. We have to set aside that amount of money each month to be able to offer turn-around time frames equal to a dealership and so will any other person(s) selling boat repair service if they supply the parts. We tried the "have-the-customer" source/provide the parts and buy them directly concept and it was a nightmare.

Never forget, this is a seasonal business and the profit you earn in the Summer months pays your bills when there is no work in January-March (N.C. winter season).

Pitfalls:

1: Your money and credit on the line. Also, if your sued *your personal possessions.
2: Time, you will work 80 hours or more a week on your own business.

Rewards:

1: Your the boss.
2: Income will go as high as you are willing/able to take it in growing/investing in your business.

*We decided to start out with a comprehensive insurance policy that covers the property of our customers. Luckily we did not have to pay a dime when a driver, whom was not paying attention, slammed into a customers boat while transporting it to a lake test and totally destroyed the boat and trailer in our first six months in business. Something to think about. You can be sued personally by your customers and their insurance providers.
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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1: Your money and credit on the line. Also, if your sued *your personal possessions.
If you are going to own your own business, you must take the appropriate steps to protect your personal property. You can incorporate as a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) and/or put your personal property (such as real estate) in a trust. A trust that holds your personal property is a separate entity and is insulated from torts against you.
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:54 PM
 
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Maineah
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"Many boatyards will not allow mobile mechanics to do work in their yards."

No doubt. We have been fortunate enough to maintain relationships with two local dealerships who send us work they are not interested in doing for whatever reasons, we in turn send parts sales and warranty-work calls back to them. If you accept mobile calls at marinas, dealerships or State-owned boat ramps (illegal in N.C.) you are running the risk of criminal trespassing charges and civil tort actions. We verified this information early on through an attorney. The boom in mechanic-owned service shops either mobile or at their home-based shop is contributing to hyper-competitiveness and reduced market perception of value in boat repair service. Here in N.C. we are seeing offered rates of between $25.00 an hour to standard market price of $95.00. At $25.00 an hour you'll get by and pay your personal bills but there is no profit. You will not grow your business in any way. YP listing alone costs $3,000.00 a year. Originally we started out at $65.00 an hour, or the warranty reimbursement rate and found that there is no difference in the number of customers per month at either rate. In fact, at the lower rate we received more work than we could ever do and began running so far behind in scheduling that our service offering was worse, by a matter of months, than dealership time frames. In N.C. people are specializing in certain brands or models and engine types, they will be in for a shock when the economy turns around though as business today (based on our figures pre-crash and post crash) will cut in half once boat sales return to year 2005 levels. In about three years time.

Any mobile marine business must eventually become a dealer to continue to make a profit. When you order parts, online or anywhere, and those parts are from a manufacturer- not aftermarket, you buy them from a dealership. Probably one that has also become a national distributor and they charge you retail. The industry mark-up in a mechanic-owned mobile marine business is zero, 20% and up to 100%, where areas wholesale-to-retail for a dealership is 100-400%. That equates to 50% of profits on service-shop business models, at least it looks that way in our area. So, half the money you will make is due to to sole-source availability of parts from specific manufacturers and the distribution system they established which cannot be circumvented. I have attempted to get parts from online-only sales companies and found that while they list them, and at cheaper than wholesale distributor- retail prices, they never ship them. When you search for a boat part online and find it at a phenomenal deal the question is- will you receive that part? I recently dealt with this issue for a customer and got fed up and just called Mercury only to find out that the sites listing that part were listing an aftermarket version no longer available and that unless you buy it from a Mercury dealer (it was on manufacturer back-order for an estimated six months) you are not going to get it. FYI: we have to purchase from dealerships, Mercury Marine screws and bolts specific to their engines all the time on rebuilds and get stuck paying anywhere from .30 to $8.00 a piece on screws, washers and bolts. Typically the customer is relying on you to provide the service and the parts, with the service being done in a timely fashion usually assumed to be less time than a dealership. In N.C. (after six years of accumulated information) we have determined that time frame to be two weeks or less. Without becoming a dealer your service offering will be tied to another companies schedules.

If you are starting a mobile marine company or just working on boats at home you should price parts at the same mark up rates as you would at a dealership, with the starting point being the price you paid. We offset the revenue decrease (due to billing times being shorter than flat rate) by increasing the parts mark up so that we receive 100% across the board on parts. This will make your parts revenue equivalent to service at 50% and should make twice as much money eventually once you have year-round work, as you did working as a master technician at a dealership. Again, using our model in which we work on every boat type and engine ever made, we turn down practically nothing. The best credit terms available now in parts are net 10 days. Any dealer that is sole source charges you up front before shipping and monthly parts investment costs us $1,500.00 to $8,000.00 a month. We have to set aside that amount of money each month to be able to offer turn-around time frames equal to a dealership and so will any other person(s) selling boat repair service if they supply the parts. We tried the "have-the-customer" source/provide the parts and buy them directly concept and it was a nightmare.

Never forget, this is a seasonal business and the profit you earn in the Summer months pays your bills when there is no work in January-March (N.C. winter season).

Pitfalls:

1: Your money and credit on the line. Also, if your sued *your personal possessions.
2: Time, you will work 80 hours or more a week on your own business.

Rewards:

1: Your the boss.
2: Income will go as high as you are willing/able to take it in growing/investing in your business.

*We decided to start out with a comprehensive insurance policy that covers the property of our customers. Luckily we did not have to pay a dime when a driver, whom was not paying attention, slammed into a customers boat while transporting it to a lake test and totally destroyed the boat and trailer in our first six months in business. Something to think about. You can be sued personally by your customers and their insurance providers.
You're obviously well informed on this subject and quite articulate. I won't pretend to know how these non-dealer mechanics secure their parts. All I can tell you is they do a vigorous business and in this state where there are many many boats to service there is absolutely no lack of work for these guys. Perhaps they have some kind of tie into the local distributorship in some way or maybe the dealers are so spread out they let these guys buy parts just to be able to provide the needed services. Kind of like an annex service department for a larger marine dealer. They advertise in the local swap guides and small local newspapers so they must be legitimate in some way.
Here is a question for you I have always been curious about. How can Marine engine manufacturers get away with selling an outboard boat engine (say in the 130-150 HP range)for a comparible price as a new car? I was always cited R&D as the reason yet part for part and cost for cost it can't possibly cost as much to manufacture a Yamaha 150 HP engine as it does to build a complete Ford Escourt. You can buy two really good snowmobiles and a trailer for what they get for an outboard motor. I have always thought outboard engines were the most overpriced machines in the world. Do you know why this is?
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:31 AM
 
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"Perhaps they have some kind of tie into the local distributorship in some way or maybe the dealers are so spread out they let these guys buy parts just to be able to provide the needed services"

You either buy the parts retail at a dealership, buy them for a minor discount from a national distributor/marine business or there are a couple of aftermarket companies offering wholesale accounts to small businesses these days where you can make a reasonable mark up on the parts. I took a look at the parts mark up rate at the company I am at and found it to be way too low. In order to increase the revenue from parts I first raided the company inventory taking any part I could find randomly which had a different manufacturer named on it. Then I spent a week calling every company and distributor trying to find out who to buy from and get the best price. Not many options in the marine world unfortunately, it is a big money game. You got big money to invest you get deals, to be qualified as a distributor and pay manufacturer's wholesale the same as the two largest companies offering parts to small businesses now that I mentioned- $2,000,000.00 per purchase.

We have found this to be the same with every company. Huge investment to buy-in just like the manufacturers. I assume the manufacturers have created the working model used and every smaller company down the line has done something similar so that once you get to the retail level in any market the local dealership is the ONLY supplier in that area. Beyond the money requirements I listed earlier you still have to meet many, many other requirements. All of which ultimately have to be approved by corporate headquarters and a regional sales representative before they do anything with you. For instance, without being a dealership we were approached by a State agency tasked with replacing close to two dozen outboards from their fleet. We were told if we could get the engines please order them. Manufacturers for three companies all told me the same thing, call your local dealership and let that company submit the purchase orders. The contract has ballooned from a few dozen engines to a possible 100+ totaling half a million dollars on one order. You are not a dealer? Oh well, you will not only not get that sale, not get any revenue of any kind from that sale but after the manufacturer's sales representative got the details of our participation they decided not to allow the sale unless another local dealership also got the service work to do the installations as well. I guess they were not aware that smaller companies exist and are doing service independent of the "industry" who knows. BTW: I spoke with two dealerships who did get to bid and their profit per engine on a $2,800.00 motor will be $400.00 to $600.00 per engine. Mind you as well that the State agency buying the engines also only pays by purchase order and the process after delivery takes ninety days to get your money if everything goes well. Very few businesses have half a million sitting in the bank waiting for orders like this to come along and the manufacturer expects their money up front.

"How can Marine engine manufacturers get away with selling an outboard boat engine (say in the 130-150 HP range)for a comparable price as a new car?"

Monopoly on high performance boat engines. Check Brunswick Corp at Brunswick (dot) com or stock symbol BC. SEC should have all their documentation. Part R&D, part control over distribution and rigorous enforcement of patent law. Won't be that way forever though, you can get re manufactured engines from many sources now for half the price or less. This Summer we began advising customers on certain models and years that rebuilding would be more expensive than purchasing newly re manufactured whole engines. Average engine installation time 4-10 hours labor, but at the coast your labor rates are much lower as well due to competition. I spoke with the only technical school in my State this year about hiring graduates and they informed me that they still have 50+ people from last year's class without a job.

Our opinion on motor manufacturers is this, the Japanese will clean our clocks. Yamaha and Suzuki make stallions that when cared for properly and serviced annually will last forever. Prices will be falling on new engines with the world economic recovery. American manufacturers will be squeezed from both sides with cheap re manufactured versions of older engines and stronger, higher quality, longer-lasting new engines priced at the same levels as their American counterparts or slightly less. We'll see if Hermes is paying attention.

DMMS
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