treegrowth plan (good/bad) (new home, tax, live)

[kellysmith]

wnc-eky-me,
Now we've highjacked this thread, but here's another old timers way of doing things. They would cut there firewood in a month with an "R" in it. Again, the reason being the months without an "R" were the months when the sap was up in a tree. I can remember my grandfather making that statement many, many years ago.

[forest beekeeper]

AliceT, Msina, wnc-eky-me, kellysmith, 7th gen, NMLM; we all have different experience; seen and done different things. I hope that we can all be friends and enjoy each other's insight.

Our land has a lot of underground logs. The harvester machine pulls down 1+ foot tree trunks and lays them down to form a track for it to crawl on. They did it in the winter, when the ground was frozen but still needed the logs underneath to keep the machine from sinking too much. Ruts that are still there fill with water all summer, and logs pushed down with a foot of soil on top of them.

I have snapped two handfuls of pins in my roto-tiller trying to work up that soil. Just too many buried logs.

May God bless you all

[wnc-eky-me]

KellySmith,
Aren't our elders cool. They have some cool sayings and ways. But if we listen they have a lot to teach. I have never heard this saying. Maybe the moon has something to do with sap, after all it is mostly water and the moon does affect the tides. Who KNows.

I am just starting to learn about sap (experimenting with maple syrup in KY) so my knowledge is limited but interested inlearning more about it.
Shaun

[7th generation]

Originally Posted by forest beekeeper

Ruts that are still there fill with water all summer,

......and then within those ruts , you have a vernal pool..another State regulation.....

[wnc-eky-me]

Originally Posted by forest beekeeper

AliceT, Msina, wnc-eky-me, kellysmith, 7th gen, NMLM; we all have different experience; seen and done different things. I hope that we can all be friends and enjoy each other's insight.

Our land has a lot of underground logs. The harvester machine pulls down 1+ foot tree trunks and lays them down to form a track for it to crawl on. They did it in the winter, when the ground was frozen but still needed the logs underneath to keep the machine from sinking too much. Ruts that are still there fill with water all summer, and logs pushed down with a foot of soil on top of them.

I have snapped two handfuls of pins in my roto-tiller trying to work up that soil. Just too many buried logs.

May God bless you all

Forest,
I too hope we can all be friends. I hope to be able to learn a lot from you folks.

Hope you get that l area tilled. It is bound to be good soil what with the decaying logs providing organic matter to your soil. That area must be some prime bottomland. Good Luck in your agricultural endeavours.
Shaun

[msina]

Originally Posted by forest beekeeper

AliceT, Msina, wnc-eky-me, kellysmith, 7th gen, NMLM; we all have different experience; seen and done different things. I hope that we can all be friends and enjoy each other's insight.

Our land has a lot of underground logs. The harvester machine pulls down 1+ foot tree trunks and lays them down to form a track for it to crawl on. They did it in the winter, when the ground was frozen but still needed the logs underneath to keep the machine from sinking too much. Ruts that are still there fill with water all summer, and logs pushed down with a foot of soil on top of them.

I have snapped two handfuls of pins in my roto-tiller trying to work up that soil. Just too many buried logs.

May God bless you all

Forest you are a constant source of useful information for me. I am not experienced in property management and I appreciate all I learn here form you and others. I can run a household but I am intimidated by a chainsaw. I can sew a straight line but I can't shingle a house. It's fascinating to me when the conversation runs to roofing, tree growth and home repair!

[kellysmith]

wnc-eky-me,
Up this way the sap starts running around the first of March down south, and by the middle of march it's running up north usually. When the leaves start to change, that's when the sugars travel back to the roots for the winter. So, March and April will have some moisture in the wood, but nowhere near as much as May through August. If you like maple syrupping, wait until you get to Maine!! Wood cut in a month with the "R" doesn't require so much drying. I remember folks cutting Ash in the winter and burning it immediately. It's also much easier splitting wood cut in the winter when what moisture the tree does have is frozen.

[forest beekeeper]

Originally Posted by wnc-eky-me

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Hope you get that l area tilled. It is bound to be good soil what with the decaying logs providing organic matter to your soil. That area must be some prime bottomland. Good Luck in your agricultural endeavours.
Shaun

I gave up trying to till.

Besides the underground logs don't decay here.

We have shifted to raised bed gardening and greenhouses.

I grew up on a farm, got an A.S. in Horticulture. I had to try tilling. This is just not a location suited to tilling.

This is rocky forest and wetland. Good for trees and moss, mushrooms and forest-floor plants.

I had read a lot about no-till over the years, and now I have attended a few workshops on no-till. So I feel rather 'pushed' in that direction.

[forest beekeeper]

Originally Posted by msina

Forest you are a constant source of useful information for me. I am not experienced in property management and I appreciate all I learn here form you and others. I can run a household but I am intimidated by a chainsaw. I can sew a straight line but I can't shingle a house. It's fascinating to me when the conversation runs to roofing, tree growth and home repair!

LOL, thank you maam.

None if these are my true speciality though.

I did a bunch of years doing: Electronic Surveillance and Inertial Navigation in an underwater environment launching space platforms which can then navigate on their own.

But I am no rocket scientist. I have known many rocket scientists and nuclear physicists, I have been fortunate to have called them my friends.

I was fortunate to have spent time doing a wide variety of things, collecting apartment buildings kind of as a hobby at each duty station. My wife makes a good manager and I do repairs. My wife and I have both spent a lot of time volunteering as financial counselors and tax assistants. I met her while we were both taking some seminary courses. Her real calling is as an accountant.

I am enjoying getting into this role as woodlot manager, organic farmer, bee-husbandman and herdsman.

msina - I am sure that we can help each other if need be.

[boonelsewhere]

forest,
that all i want to do to my woodlot plus grow some veggies year round and keep bees for honey.

Woodlots are good to have, going through them and cleaning out the dead wood can keep you in firewood nicely.

Ginseng grows well on a forest floor, as does mushroom innoculated logs.

Goats, sheep and chickens all do well in a forest.