Real Estate Taxes for Eastport (property tax, move, property)

[maine4.us]

I am going to jump into this feet first barefoot. I work for the school system in Florida until I retire in the next couple of years. A lot of the social-feel-good training is unfortunately necessary because about 60% of the kids we have today are like puppies. The mama has them, licks the afterbirth off after them, and feeds them until they are weaned, then motherhood is forgotten until the next litter. The dad (stud) often times disappears even before the birth of the litter or if he is around, has only a passing interest in their adolescence. If people would hold their parental responsibility sacred (not necessarily a religious term) then the school system could get back to more basics.

I think Maine schools must be a lot more liberal than Florida schools if all the stuff described here actually takes place. We have no such assemblies for all those social feel good things. We do have a impaired driving assembly right before prom because we have parents that actually buy alcohol for their kids, and sponsor graduation "don't ask, don't tell" alcohol serving parties. In fact, in my subdivision, we had a real doozie of a drinking party for the seniors. It resulted in the arrest of two parents for allowing alcohol consumption by and serving alcohol to minors.

The schools have taken on some of the parenting role because the parents are too busy in their own little worlds to step up to the plate and be a parent, and not a buddy.

Now for all the parents who presently want to rip my head off, there are about 40% of the parents who really care and just don't talk the talk, but walk the walk of being a parent. Those people are usually the ones who find the school system an easy target, and for them we are. They take care of their children's physical and social needs. However sometimes they forget about the other 60% of the people who don't give a **it about their kids. I would rather be an easy target and save a few kids than stand back just like a lot of the parents do and let the kids go down the toilet.

So look for even more of the fluff as I call it to creep into the school system. It will continue until parents take back their role as parents instead of being passive onlookers or buds to their children.

[forest beekeeper]

Ooops.

Before anyone else jumps on this, I must apologize. My comment about assemblies and feel good junk was not exclusively about Maine schools. Immediately before moving to Maine we lived in Ct. All of those things that I listed were a solid part of Ct public-funded schools.

They may or may not be a big part of Maine schools. I have no experience with Maine K-8 schools.

I only meant it in the context of property taxes going into school districts that then are liberal controlled and are spending school hours with non-sense.

[forest beekeeper]

Originally Posted by maine4.us

I am going to jump into this feet first barefoot. I work for the school system in Florida until I retire in the next couple of years. A lot of the social-feel-good training is unfortunately necessary because about 60% of the kids we have today are like puppies. The mama has them, licks the afterbirth off after them, and feeds them until they are weaned, then motherhood is forgotten until the next litter. The dad (stud) often times disappears even before the birth of the litter or if he is around, has only a passing interest in their adolescence. If people would hold their parental responsibility sacred (not necessarily a religious term) then the school system could get back to more basics.

I think Maine schools must be a lot more liberal than Florida schools if all the stuff described here actually takes place. We have no such assemblies for all those social feel good things. We do have a impaired driving assembly right before prom because we have parents that actually buy alcohol for their kids, and sponsor graduation "don't ask, don't tell" alcohol serving parties. In fact, in my subdivision, we had a real doozie of a drinking party for the seniors. It resulted in the arrest of two parents for allowing alcohol consumption by and serving alcohol to minors.

The schools have taken on some of the parenting role because the parents are too busy in their own little worlds to step up to the plate and be a parent, and not a buddy.

Now for all the parents who presently want to rip my head off, there are about 40% of the parents who really care and just don't talk the talk, but walk the walk of being a parent. Those people are usually the ones who find the school system an easy target, and for them we are. They take care of their children's physical and social needs. However sometimes they forget about the other 60% of the people who don't give a **it about their kids. I would rather be an easy target and save a few kids than stand back just like a lot of the parents do and let the kids go down the toilet.

So look for even more of the fluff as I call it to creep into the school system. It will continue until parents take back their role as parents instead of being passive onlookers or buds to their children.

Well said

[dramamama6685]

Originally Posted by Maineah

I wish property taxes were based on how many services you actually receive from the town. Police, fire, rescue we all benefit from that but why should someone pay to keep up a sewer system or water system they're not hooked up to? Or schools? If you don't have kids in school why should part of your taxes go to school upkeep? We have no trash pick up, and other than plowing the road in the winter we receive nothing but the fire, police and rescue which we have never used. Our kids are out of school and our taxes will be $4400.00 next year too! Thanks for nothing!

Ours are based on value (which here is more than you'll get for your place even in a good market) we paid over $2K last year for a 2 bdrm.. no garage, double city lot. Seems pricey to me compared to what I'm hearing about Eastport.

[Maineah]

Originally Posted by elston

To anyone questioning why they need to pay school taxes even if they don't have children....

"If you think education is expensive,
Try ignorance!"

IMHO being a member of society carries with it some responsibilty to "promote the common good".

Sounds like communism to me!

[flycessna]

Originally Posted by maine4.us

We do have a impaired driving assembly right before prom because we have parents that actually buy alcohol for their kids, and sponsor graduation "don't ask, don't tell" alcohol serving parties. In fact, in my subdivision, we had a real doozie of a drinking party for the seniors. It resulted in the arrest of two parents for allowing alcohol consumption by and serving alcohol to minors.

When I went to HS their were parents who certainly looked the other way. I do not remember parents buying our beer though. and we never saw the police! unless something really bad was going on. Most of us drank....forbidden fruit I guess. We all made it. It would have been tragic to have lost someone on prom night. But this is life, Kids will be kids. I have a teenage boy. It frightens me to think of him doing some of the things I did. But "some of it" is about growing up and making choices.

Originally Posted by maine4.us

The schools have taken on some of the parenting role because the parents are too busy in their own little worlds to step up to the plate and be a parent, and not a buddy.

I can agree with that. I see it all the time. But this is not always the case. Birth control and pregnancy tests with OUT parental notification....I thought this was all because parents were not being involved enough....so now were going to purposely exclude them!!....I mean really

So in the name of doing whats right "for the children" schools will want to take on more responsibility. But as we have seen, government will always have the propensity to "take over", and the schools will not longer be an extensions to the values and knowledge learned in the home, but in place of it, and that frightens me!!

[maine4.us]

I can only speak for this part of the country which I am familiar with. There is none of that going on here. The people would go literally insane. I keep hearing all these bizarre things that schools are doing in certain places, but I don't see that kind of stuff happening anywhere in the southeastern part of the US. We still have a prayer at graduation, (for now) and the only accepted form of birth control according to our district is abstinence. I am almost certain that is a school board policy. The board thinks it is up to the parents to fill in the blanks. I think there are a few school districts out there in the larger cities that cause all this grief for the "normal" school districts. Read "normal" as smaller districts in small towns and rural areas.

I know we are sort of off Topic, but it is about how taxes are spent, just not exactly Eastport. I would like to read the school union 104's fpolicies and procedures.

[flycessna]

Originally Posted by maine4.us

I can only speak for this part of the country which I am familiar with. There is none of that going on here. The people would go literally insane. I keep hearing all these bizarre things that schools are doing in certain places, but I don't see that kind of stuff happening anywhere in the southeastern part of the US. We still have a prayer at graduation, (for now) and the only accepted form of birth control according to our district is abstinence. I am almost certain that is a school board policy. The board thinks it is up to the parents to fill in the blanks. I think there are a few school districts out there in the larger cities that cause all this grief for the "normal" school districts. Read "normal" as smaller districts in small towns and rural areas.

I know we are sort of off Topic, but it is about how taxes are spent, just not exactly Eastport. I would like to read the school union 104's fpolicies and procedures.

I know it's not everywhere. Its not even everywhere here! I always say, if you leave governement to solve our problems, you will be supremely dissappointed. We need public schools, we need teachers. There has been a breakdown in family values and responsability in America, and schools feel as though they need to respond...but it's obvious, schools cannot raise childrend...and most reponses by the school to help...will never be as effective as just good parenting

I think the topic can be relevent to Property taxes and deciding where to live. Especially for those without children. I could honestly say that just about any municiple budget is comitted to schools...and we have to be honest with ourselves....are things getting better....or worse. Which means even more tax dollars will be needed to keep things going. right now the "State of Maine's" total budget include's 38% of it going to education........that goes along with probaly at least a 50% average of muicple budgets going to education.

[moughie]

Originally Posted by Maineah

Sounds like communism to me!

C'mom, Maineh....you know as well as I do, that a well loved and educated child will most likely grow up to be a responsible citizen who cares for his/her own community and society at large. Nothin wrong with that, is there??

I am sure you want your son to be an responsible member of society who understands the benefits of volunteerism and " the greater good" - meaning helping to create a better society and atmosphere for all, irrespective of race, religion, sexual orientation, place of birth, national origin, economic status. I sure wish that of my daughters, and I have worked hard to instill those values and moral integrity in them.

[Maineah]

Originally Posted by moughie

C'mom, Maineh....you know as well as I do, that a well loved and educated child will most likely grow up to be a responsible citizen who cares for his/her own community and society at large. Nothin wrong with that, is there??

I am sure you want your son to be an responsible member of society who understands the benefits of volunteerism and " the greater good" - meaning helping to create a better society and atmosphere for all, irrespective of race, religion, sexual orientation, place of birth, national origin, economic status. I sure wish that of my daughters, and I have worked hard to instill those values and moral integrity in them.

We try to teach our kids to be selfish and self-entered and ignore those seeking handouts whenever possible. The accumulation of wealth and material things is really the only things they should be concerned with. Most kids leave the community they grow up in anyway so investing in the education of kids only benefits the communities they end up in not ours. Nobody ever made a dime volunteering for anything either! As far as economic status is concerned there are haves and have nots....I prefer being a have.