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Old 10-27-2008, 09:36 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I was stationed there, and then transferred away. Back and forth, so while the locals have gradually lived through these changes.

I saw the changes as very abrupt changes.

Before the casinos went in I think that murders were rare. Not as rare as they are in Maine, but like maybe once a month.

When we lived in Norwich 2001-2004, there was murders like 1 or 2 a week.

As of two weeks ago, there was at least one every day in the local news.
Where I am now I also saw the changes as abrupt and missed out on the gradual change. AS I said before, it really depends on how much free rein the individual interests have that are building the casino or casinos. That comes down to the agreement between the state and the casino owners. The changes I have seen are positive. 1 casino and not multiple casinos were authorized, the cut for the state was spelled out directly as to how much went where. All proceeds from the casino HAS to be public knowledge, this includes dates paid, amounts paid, and total profits made at the location. There has been no increase in Prostitution, murders, and all the bad that are usually associated with such ventures. The casino had to pay for the increase in the local PD due to the increased amount of traffic flow through the small town as well. All in all it comes down to the size of the original area and how open everything is to the public. The casino HAS to allow state as well as local auditors to go over the books at any time just to keep things on the up and up. A casino can be a good thing for a small area, it can also be a bad thing. It all depends on how open things are to the public and how much is glossed over.
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:50 AM
 
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Where I am now I also saw the changes as abrupt and missed out on the gradual change. AS I said before, it really depends on how much free rein the individual interests have that are building the casino or casinos. That comes down to the agreement between the state and the casino owners. The changes I have seen are positive. 1 casino and not multiple casinos were authorized, the cut for the state was spelled out directly as to how much went where. All proceeds from the casino HAS to be public knowledge, this includes dates paid, amounts paid, and total profits made at the location. There has been no increase in Prostitution, murders, and all the bad that are usually associated with such ventures. The casino had to pay for the increase in the local PD due to the increased amount of traffic flow through the small town as well. All in all it comes down to the size of the original area and how open everything is to the public. The casino HAS to allow state as well as local auditors to go over the books at any time just to keep things on the up and up. A casino can be a good thing for a small area, it can also be a bad thing. It all depends on how open things are to the public and how much is glossed over.
Just the traffic increase alone is enough to vote no on the casino. They want to put it in Oxford County near where the race track is. They have proven time and time again that route 26 cannot handle that kind of traffic flow when they have a big event at the track. They had the Grateful Dead there in the 90's and traffic was backed up all the way from Oxford Plains to the off ramp of the turnpike in Gray for HOURS on end.
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:35 AM
 
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This casino won't go in yet. And neither will any big industries. Simple and plain, the people of Maine do not want any changes. They want more jobs, but yet they won't let businesses come in.
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:53 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Whatever. I just thought I would toss in what I have seen from the perspective of somebody who was very Anti-Casino to one who has seen the impact a small casino can make for an area. It is really no concern of mine what the state of Maine voters do. Good Luck with whatever decision is made.
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:08 AM
 
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This casino won't go in yet. And neither will any big industries. Simple and plain, the people of Maine do not want any changes. They want more jobs, but yet they won't let businesses come in.
Certain businesses! I think if they wanted to build a 10 million dollar wood pellet factory that generates a few hundred jobs the vote would pass don't you??
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:21 AM
 
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Whatever. I just thought I would toss in what I have seen from the perspective of somebody who was very Anti-Casino to one who has seen the impact a small casino can make for an area. It is really no concern of mine what the state of Maine voters do. Good Luck with whatever decision is made.
Thanks Bydand, Your input is excellent and well thought out as usual. I may be wrong but positive aspects of a casino outweighing the negative aspects tend to be the exception rather than the rule with the majority of these places. We're happy to hear the casino you're familiar was a well run business and was limited well by lawmakers with some foresight. Personally I do not trust Maine lawmakers to have that insight. I'd rather see some other kind of sustainable industry (like wood pellets or compressed fire blocks) take off in that area and allow taxes to flow from the growth of the business rather than a promise from a business that robs people when they walk through the door. Let Massachusetts and Connecticut have the casinos. As I said before if a casino, slot parlor, OTB bars, and lotteries are the only sources we can come up with for new revenue we're in trouble.
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Old 10-27-2008, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Sittin' on the rocks at the bay...
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So far we don't have a casino in Massachusetts, thank God. it's been put on hold by the legislature. Even though it's democratically controlled, they didn't agree with Gov. Patrick.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Maine
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I said earlier that Hollywood Slots had opened two years ago. It's been three years. That's plenty of time to know if there's going to be a negative impact. I'm looking for an exact date but haven't found it yet.

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This is the kind of stuff that happens with a casino.

Urge to play slots spurred thefts - Bangor Daily News (http://bangornews.com/detail/51489.html - broken link)
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Hollywood Slots maintains a self-exclusion list for patrons who believe they have a gambling problem,
Personal responsibility goes a long way.

If we're going to criticize an industry because some people have a problem let's start with alcohol. No more beer, no nothing. Some have an alcohol addiction therefore you can't have it either. No more junk food, some people have food addictions.

The story says:
A spike in Bangor’s crime rate — from 284.9 in 2005 to 325.9 in 2006 — reversed a four-year trend of low crime in the Queen City. Racino critics were quick to point the finger at the slot machines, but city manager Barrett notes that most of the increase came in property crimes. “We don’t absolutely know the reason, but if I was forced to guess, it’s probably the result of drug use,” he offers. “We have more methadone clinics here [three] than any city in the state, and they serve addicts from all over northern and eastern Maine.”

If we're going to blame Hollywood Slots for the increase let's see something factual to back it up. What percentage of that increase is directly related to Hollywood Slots? Facts please, not emotions and opinions.

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[/b]Certain businesses! I think if they wanted to build a 10 million dollar wood pellet factory that generates a few hundred jobs the vote would pass don't you??
If we're going to continue on the basis of "only if I personally approve" then no, I wouldn't vote for that. I have valid personal reasons to not want another pellet factory in Maine; I don't approve.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:37 PM
 
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I said earlier that Hollywood Slots had opened two years ago. It's been three years. That's plenty of time to know if there's going to be a negative impact. I'm looking for an exact date but haven't found it yet.


The article says:


Personal responsibility goes a long way.

If we're going to criticize an industry because some people have a problem let's start with alcohol. No more beer, no nothing. Some have an alcohol addiction therefore you can't have it either. No more junk food, some people have food addictions.


The story says:
A spike in Bangor’s crime rate — from 284.9 in 2005 to 325.9 in 2006 — reversed a four-year trend of low crime in the Queen City. Racino critics were quick to point the finger at the slot machines, but city manager Barrett notes that most of the increase came in property crimes. “We don’t absolutely know the reason, but if I was forced to guess, it’s probably the result of drug use,” he offers. “We have more methadone clinics here [three] than any city in the state, and they serve addicts from all over northern and eastern Maine.”

If we're going to blame Hollywood Slots for the increase let's see something factual to back it up. What percentage of that increase is directly related to Hollywood Slots? Facts please, not emotions and opinions.


If we're going to continue on the basis of "only if I personally approve" then no, I wouldn't vote for that. I have valid personal reasons to not want another pellet factory in Maine; I don't approve.
I have seen the damage caused by drug and alcohol problems first hand. It isn't pretty. I have also seen people with gambling problems fritter away entire fortunes! It is so sad! Our Amvets hall is almost ENTIRELY supported by a handful of people with an addiction to opening tickets. The kind where you open a little paper window to see if you have won something for a 50 cents or a dollar a chance. It is completely legal but these few people have a real big addiction to these games. To the tune of about $15,000 a month!!! The tickets make well over 10 times the amount of money the bar does or even the fund raisers at the Clam Festival.
Some spend their entire paycheck on these things weekly. There are even those who have mortgaged the house to spend on these things. The alcohol problems associated with the folks down there are NOTHING as compared to these gambling addictions. These are rabid addictions and terrible to witness.
Casinos will just encourage an escalation of these problems. Gambling is illegal in most forms and should remain so. The person who loses a few hundred now and then at the horse races or $50.00 in a slot machine is not a problem .It's the addict, many of whom do not admit the problem exists, spending the rent, grocery,colllege funds, retirement, social security ,etc. that are the real tragedy and problem associated with this type of thing. It took society many years of sweeping the problem under the rug regarding drunk driving before something was finally done about it. It became stigmatized, and stiff penalties were imposed while constantly lowering the legal threshold to it's current national level. Why introduce another addictive and detremental activity on society when the evidence is clear there will be a number of people hurt in the process in the name of having fun!!! People can have fun without drunk driving and also without gambling away their life savings.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Ellsworth
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I'll vote against more casinos. I voted against the racino. They are like big box stores with shady owners. They throw a paltry sum at the locals and then funnel all the real money out of state. When Wal-mart came to Ellsworth they made this huge deal about how they give $50,000 back to the community every year. Heck many of us little tiny businesses do almost that much.

So many of the threads on this forum address questions of poverty, lack of good jobs, cutting back on everything from recipes to spending, whether children can or should work, what makes Mainers who they are and how will we pay our heating bills this winter.

Where does gambling away your precious spendable income fit in these discussions?
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