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Old 07-09-2008, 09:55 AM
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Steve,

UPC has torn the town of Cohocton, NY apart. Go to Cohocton Wind Watch and take some time and read the archives specifically. Start in mid 2006 and all of 2007 - that is when the true battle took place. There are too many interesting tidbits to list so if you want start there. You can read all about the local gov at work, the stories and promises made, and the result in the end. It is a huge and comprehensive site at this point-hundreds of links that will keep you interested for hours as it discusses all wind problems, Mars Hill included, not just their local issues. Have fun!

www.cohoctonfree.com also has a lot of info-again the archives have a lot to read on how the whole process took place, but the current info is also a good place to read about present activities

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Old 07-09-2008, 10:10 AM
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If I lived in a town with a reliable wind energy resource I would encourage a company to survey and install wind turbines. Harvesting natural energy is an important part of a rational energy system and should be implemented even it disturbs a few individuals. This also applies to any available hydroelectric dams and generators.
I would also set up a town wide electric utility to market the electricity at a discount to the residents of the town even if it used the existing utility facilities. The town utility would be more of an accounting system but should be able to allow the town residents access to lower priced and green electricity. The town utility could also purchase and operate any hydroelectric facilities.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:34 AM
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eletricity is clean and very efficient energy.

wood,peat is wonderful source of energy, i will use them as long as my body able to do it.

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If I lived in a town with a reliable wind energy resource I would encourage a company to survey and install wind turbines. Harvesting natural energy is an important part of a rational energy system and should be implemented even it disturbs a few individuals. This also applies to any available hydroelectric dams and generators.
I would also set up a town wide electric utility to market the electricity at a discount to the residents of the town even if it used the existing utility facilities. The town utility would be more of an accounting system but should be able to allow the town residents access to lower priced and green electricity. The town utility could also purchase and operate any hydroelectric facilities.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:43 AM
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Peat is a great source of renewable energy (providing you strip and replace the moss) if you have a peat bog handy. Just like wood if you have a woodlot. Most of us do not have either so we have to buy our heat and light.
I have to buy gasoline for transport and electricity for heat and light. Most of the electricity is produced at Seabrook Station. It is time to install the second unit at Seabrook and feed the Clamshell Alliance to the landfill. We need all forms of electrical power generation and can no longer afford the luxury of providing peace of mind to some misguided “environmentalists”.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:47 AM
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Thanks JSN,

I'll try to make time soon to look that all over.



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I am 100% in agreement with this, Greg, and will work on such a project locally. IMHO local control with local benefits is the most logical and safe way to proceed with wind power.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:56 AM
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The Maine Public Utilities Commission was in favor of individuals and coops being able to choose their power suppliers. However, there were so many conditions, stipulations and restrictions that no supplier offered power in Maine. Everybody is stuck with the "standard offer". Good luck with your battle with the Maine PUC.
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:04 AM
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The Maine PUC sounds like the place where reform efforts must start.

I've been hearing that a lot lately, NMLM. Thanks.

I am concerned the former commissioner was just hired by UPC too. That bears close watching.

Strikes me as odd that the whole Stetson Project near Prentiss would be already half way done with no guaranteed way to move the power?!? Sounds like some deal was struck somewhere....
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:06 AM
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local produce local benefit, i like that.

i read it some where from this forum, electric generate from dam(hydro) in Maine sell it to other state only on high demand for higher price.

i don't know how much it cost to generate electric from water fall to spin the turbine.
my dump guess, it s/b nothing, water does all the work. (after the initial cost to set up)

they should run them all the time to reduce high electric rate in Maine.

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I visited the Grand Coolie Dam in Washington State several years ago, and only one of their many huge turbines was running as we went through the tour. When I asked why this was, the tour guide told us that if they ran them all, it would force some of the coal and oil-fired plants out of business.

We were told that Grand Coolie could power the entire Pacific Northwest at a cost of about $.02/KwH.

Why didn't they "JUST DO IT??"

I think some of you know the answer....GREED AND CONTROL.
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:48 AM
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Steve Martin finds:
"Strikes me as odd that the whole Stetson Project near Prentiss would be already half way done with no guaranteed way to move the power?!? Sounds like some deal was struck somewhere...."

Each tower has numerous drilled holes going down 42 feet into bedrock. Then there is a large quantity of concrete poured for each tower. It's a lot easier to go along with a post hole digger to set the poles for a transmission line. There is no rush. They can't bring a few towers on line before they are all done. It wouldn't be safe.
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