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Old 05-30-2011, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Macao
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I got the title- "Red Socialism" and thought it was pretty clever, Stalin would be proud? A quick question: are you sure it was Carville that said middle PA is Alabama? It may have been. If so, it is a more recent quote than I thought. I can't remember when I first heard it, but it may have been as recent as the 2004 election.

If he really did coin the phrase, props to Carville. He kind of cracks me up. He has a weird sense of humor that I get.
Pennsyltucky? I've heard that for awhile - that the middle of PA between Philadelphia & Pittsburgh, there is a region that referred to as Pennsyltucky. Very conservative with strong conservative voting patterns.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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What is funny is that I have never heard anyone from my area use the term "Pennsyltucky" before. I didn't hear it until I started meeting people from downstate, especially the Baltimore area. Of course, if you Google search the term, it is apparently prevalent. I don't know if the PA natives consider it a pejurative or a compliment.

Also, Pennsylvanians sometimes refer to their state as just "PA." I can't think of any other state that uses their postal abbreviation as a nickname. I do it too sometimes, but I don't remember whether it was "cradle language" or something I picked up later in life.

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Old 05-31-2011, 07:27 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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As a PA native I never heard it until I moved to Southern MD. A SMIb used it ( SMIb is shorthand for Southern Maryland Inbred).
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Old 05-31-2011, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Never hear Smib before either. I suspect it isn't a term I should go down to NBP's part of the world and start throwing around. Nothing wrong with a little inbreeding, although it makes geneology a bear to research.


I also found out later in life there are many perjuratives nicknames for Cumberland that are used in the more rural parts of our area. It seems like a lot of terms are used to talk about people and their communities behind their backs.

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Old 05-31-2011, 08:41 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Yeah, SMIb is kinda funny. I've been here so long I get called it now. A few years ago Waldorf got a minor league baseball team and there was a contest to name it. I entered The SMIBs forSouthern Maryland Independent Baseball. Had a conversation with a few people over that one.


Rural areas always historically have had a lot of cousin marriages, for lack of a better phrase. There's a couple small towns in western PA where I'm related to about 3/4 of the residents.
It's funny, but people always hack on WVA for those marriages but its laws are stricter than MD's where 1st cousins are allowed to marry.
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Old 05-31-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Yeah, SMIb is kinda funny. I've been here so long I get called it now. A few years ago Waldorf got a minor league baseball team and there was a contest to name it. I entered The SMIBs forSouthern Maryland Independent Baseball. Had a conversation with a few people over that one.


Rural areas always historically have had a lot of cousin marriages, for lack of a better phrase. There's a couple small towns in western PA where I'm related to about 3/4 of the residents.
It's funny, but people always hack on WVA for those marriages but its laws are stricter than MD's where 1st cousins are allowed to marry.
Before modern transportation, you generally picked your spouse from close-by. It doesn't take too many generations of this in sparsely populated area before, as you put it, you are related to nearly everyone in the area. So long as in-migration is slow and steady after this initial "founder effect" takes place, the newcomers end up marrying into the old lines and become part of the family web (better term than family tree.)

My personal favorite is the "double cousin" effect, where several brothers and sisters from 2 families married each other, thus making their kids cousins on both sides of the family. That is where it gets very confusing to research. It isn't odd if you dig back to the late 18th century to find out that you may be cousins on 3 or 4 different lines of descent to someone else.
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Old 06-03-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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Get er done. Ive heard Peniltucky before and I never heard it used affectionately. Personally I like the "red" part of PA- it's quiet. Granted there isn't too much going on there though.

The PA shortening is two fold, "Pennsylvania" is both long to say and impossible to spell. I don't think I have ever spelled it correctly. Even here- I had to use spell check. I've never misspelled Mississippi or any state but PA, however.
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Old 06-03-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Berlin, MD
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The PA shortening is two fold, "Pennsylvania" is both long to say and impossible to spell. I don't think I have ever spelled it correctly. Even here- I had to use spell check. I've never misspelled Mississippi or any state but PA, however.
Aww come on! Pennsylvania isn't hard to spell. I've seen enough PA tags to know how to spell it to the double n s-y-l-v
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Old 06-03-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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Ha. Yeah, but you are smarter than me. I'll just stick with "PA".
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Macao
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Get er done. Ive heard Peniltucky before and I never heard it used affectionately. Personally I like the "red" part of PA- it's quiet. Granted there isn't too much going on there though.

The PA shortening is two fold, "Pennsylvania" is both long to say and impossible to spell. I don't think I have ever spelled it correctly. Even here- I had to use spell check. I've never misspelled Mississippi or any state but PA, however.
Massachusetts is the one I struggle with.
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